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10 Nov 2014, 9:19 pm

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/11/10/ ... re-recall/
DETROIT (AP) ? Emails showing that General Motors ordered a half-million replacement ignition switches nearly two months before telling the government of a safety recall will be heavily scrutinized by federal prosecutors, who are investigating GM?s conduct, according to legal experts.

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the parts order was not mentioned when CEO Mary Barra subsequently testified before Congress. Barra has said she first found out about the switch problem in late December and the decision to issue a recall on Jan. 31. GM says it is standing by Barra?s previous statements. The emails also could lead to further congressional hearings on the matter with Barra being called to Washington again.

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The Justice Department will have a ?field day? with the emails, matching up dates against the timeline from Valukas? report and documents filed with NHTSA, looking for conflicts, said Peter Henning, a former federal prosecutor who now is a law professor at Wayne State University in Detroit. Someone higher up in GM, he said, would have had to authorize the parts order, and investigators will want to know who that was. ?That?s not coming out of petty cash. Even for a company like GM,? Henning said.


what did GM CEO Mary Barra know, and when did she know it? or is she merely being hung out to dry? at long last, is anybody trustworthy? :cry:



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10 Nov 2014, 10:11 pm

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what did GM CEO Mary Barra know, and when did she know it? or is she merely being hung out to dry? at long last, is anybody trustworthy? :cry:

This appears to be creepily prescient:

THEFISCALTIMES.COM: "Did the Obama White House protect GM?" (March 12, 2014)
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2 ... Protect-GM

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Did the Obama administration purposefully hide problems with GM cars? Were they panicked that a massive recall of GM products would undermine one of President Obama?s most self-congratulatory campaign themes ? that he 'saved' Detroit?s auto industry?

This is a tale of two car companies: GM, shining star in President Obama?s reelection galaxy, and Toyota, which became political fodder....


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10 Nov 2014, 10:25 pm

this reminds me once again, of that old biblical thing about how one should be IN this world, but not OF it.



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10 Nov 2014, 10:40 pm

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this reminds me once again, of that old biblical thing about how one should be IN this world, but not OF it.

Yep!


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10 Nov 2014, 11:52 pm

Reminds me a scene from the movie Fight Club


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11 Nov 2014, 12:28 am

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Reminds me a scene from the movie Fight Club

never saw it, can you tell me how it goes?



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11 Nov 2014, 8:45 pm

This is why the only Holden (GM child company) worth buying in Australia is the Commodore.

Most of the other models sold by Holden are rebadged Daewoos and Opels.



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11 Nov 2014, 8:46 pm

hope GM Australia is run by people with better ethics.



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12 Nov 2014, 3:01 am

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Reminds me a scene from the movie Fight Club

never saw it, can you tell me how it goes?

Wow, now that is a movie you need to see. Basically the scene is about a formula applied to see if it's worth to do a recall on cars or let people die. More info here :
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVkUgQR9NQ[/youtube]


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12 Nov 2014, 3:11 am

I call it the calculus of corrupt cretins. those people will have a reckoning that none of them suspects. in their overweening arrogance they think the laws of cause and effect don't apply to them.



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12 Nov 2014, 6:06 am

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I call it the calculus of corrupt cretins. those people will have a reckoning that none of them suspects. in their overweening arrogance they think the laws of cause and effect don't apply to them.

Sadly that is how the world works, has long that some can make money they don't care. If that means letting maybe 300 people die, so it be, because a recall will cost them to much and in the end of the year less money in the pockets of the stock owners. These people are selfish, they have a lot put don't want to contribute to society and only use society so they get fatter (money wise) when others get fatter (physically) because they can't afford decent foods and healthy product to stay healthy and in good shape.


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12 Nov 2014, 6:08 am

if this is all America can produce, then what future is there?



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12 Nov 2014, 1:14 pm

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if this is all America can produce, then what future is there?

There is no future, mankind is in decay, we are to many people in the world with a planet not capable of producing enough resources for all. Since September we have consumed everything the planet is capable of producing in 1 year. And if everyone lived like an American or a European we would need 4 to 5 planets, and if everyone in the world lived like a Qatari then we would need 7 to 8 planets. So really we are doomed, but in the mean time a minority will live like kings making millions and billions while the other 99% of people will die in a new form of slavery...
Solutions exist, but they are way to radical...


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12 Nov 2014, 1:41 pm

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There is no future, mankind is in decay, we are to many people in the world with a planet not capable of producing enough resources for all. Since September we have consumed everything the planet is capable of producing in 1 year. And if everyone lived like an American or a European we would need 4 to 5 planets, and if everyone in the world lived like a Qatari then we would need 7 to 8 planets. So really we are doomed, but in the mean time a minority will live like kings making millions and billions while the other 99% of people will die in a new form of slavery...
Solutions exist, but they are way to radical...

Populations reduce to replacement levels naturally when communities are industrialized. With places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and, now, Syria getting bombed back to "the stone age," we guarantee to increase their populations until they return to industrialized nations (if ever).

As for natural resources, water has been commoditized and currently sells (Dasani, Evian et al.) for several times the price of gasoline per gallon. Drilling within oil reserves which are located in the United States is prohibited by federal laws. These reserves have the ability to maintain current "peak oil" use for the next 200 years or more. As for food resources, the United States produced enough food in 1955 to feed the whole world if necessary. Now, the United States imports much of its food. Farming and ranching has become so regulated and monopolistic by GMO manufacturers, we are starving ourselves intentionally. Remember, the current president campaigned on his promised energy plan which he admitted "would necessarily backrupt" the oil, gas and coal industries despite how clean those industries had become in recent years.

Ever read Brave New World?


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12 Nov 2014, 2:23 pm

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There is no future, mankind is in decay, we are to many people in the world with a planet not capable of producing enough resources for all. Since September we have consumed everything the planet is capable of producing in 1 year. And if everyone lived like an American or a European we would need 4 to 5 planets, and if everyone in the world lived like a Qatari then we would need 7 to 8 planets. So really we are doomed, but in the mean time a minority will live like kings making millions and billions while the other 99% of people will die in a new form of slavery...
Solutions exist, but they are way to radical...

Populations reduce to replacement levels naturally when communities are industrialized. With places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and, now, Syria getting bombed back to "the stone age," we guarantee to increase their populations until they return to industrialized nations (if ever).

As for natural resources, water has been commoditized and currently sells (Dasani, Evian et al.) for several times the price of gasoline per gallon. Drilling within oil reserves which are located in the United States is prohibited by federal laws. These reserves have the ability to maintain current "peak oil" use for the next 200 years or more. As for food resources, the United States produced enough food in 1955 to feed the whole world if necessary. Now, the United States imports much of its food. Farming and ranching has become so regulated and monopolistic by GMO manufacturers, we are starving ourselves intentionally. Remember, the current president campaigned on his promised energy plan which he admitted "would necessarily backrupt" the oil, gas and coal industries despite how clean those industries had become in recent years.

Ever read Brave New World?


Yes, I read Brave New World.

You mention Iraq, Libya and these place. But the problem is bigger. We are 7 billion on the planet, that is 5 billion to much. The solution would be (I don't want to sound like a radical) to reduce the population by 10% in Northern America (US and Canada) reduce it by 10% in Europe, Russia, Japan and Korea, by 40% in China and by 80 to 95% all over the rest of the world. We are to many people and the world just can't take it, so for the survival of mankind and so that mankind can continue it's history and evolve into creating greatness the weakest need to go, it's a question of survival, otherwise it's all of mankind, plus the planet, plus the animals that are doomed.

You mention natural resources. Water, the problem is eventually we won't have enough water for everyone, reserves are going down, soon major wars will break out because of water (they have already in some parts of the world), but in the mean time big corporations like Coca-Cola (Dasani) or Evian are making billions while destroying the most important resource we have. So to save the water, part of mankind needs to go.
Yes the USA has enough oil for the next 200 years, but with the rate China is growing these 200 years will drop very quick, plus oil means pollution, is responsible for global warming (and please don't tell me you are one of these lunatics who doesn't believes in global warming) and a high dose of CO2 destroying our air. So we need to find alternatives to oil, and they do exist in all domains. But fully transit from a world free of oil that will take 100 years, what is to much, the planet won't take it, so the solution again is to get rid of part of mankind.
Agriculture, back in 1955 we where 2,7 billion people, today we are 7 billion. And today the planet just can't feed everyone. Just to produce 1 cow for consumption we need a lot of resources, thousands of liters of water, and cereals and many more products, so what should we do? What about fish? The oceans are becoming empty, less and less fish and other products from it to feed everyone, we take away from the sea more than it can generate every year.
So I'll repeat myself, we have solutions, but they are radical... Otherwise we just have to accept that we are f****d. In both cases, I'm fine with both solutions, call me a fatalist but I've given up on mankind a long time ago...


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12 Nov 2014, 2:34 pm

Hey, I meant to ask if your profile image is of Edward James Olmos (or, "Eddie" when I worked with him).


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