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DW_a_mom
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14 Dec 2021, 7:18 am

I know the investigation is a long, slow and mostly opaque process, but I'm surprised it seems to attract so little interest here.

A commentary from a professor of political history on recent events and revelations:

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December 13, 2021 (Monday)

Tonight, the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol held a televised hearing to vote on whether to hold Trump’s White House chief of staff Mark Meadows in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena. Their answer was yes, unanimously, by a vote of 9–0. More, even than that, though, was that in order to justify their votes they dropped some details about what happened on January 6.

What they revealed was eye-popping.

All members of the committee spoke tonight, underscoring the importance of the moment.

Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) grabbed the headlines, though, as she read text messages Meadows received on January 6. They included texts from lawmakers to Meadows begging Trump to call off the rioters, making it crystal clear that those closest to him understood that those attacking the Capitol would respond to his orders. Dozens of texts urged the president to act to stop the protesters: “Someone is going to get killed.” “POTUS needs to calm this sh*t down.”

Those writing the texts to Meadows about the president also included his son Donald Trump, Jr. (why was he communicating with his father through Meadows?), and Fox News Channel personalities Laura Ingraham, Brian Kilmeade, and Sean Hannity, revealing how dangerously intertwined the right-wing media system is with Republican lawmakers. “This is hurting all of us,” Ingraham wrote to Meadows during the insurrection.

Cheney said: “These texts leave no doubt: the White House knew exactly what was happening at the Capitol. Members of Congress, the press, and others wrote to Mark Meadows as the attack was underway."

And yet, Trump remained unmoved for 187 minutes while our Capitol was under attack and lawmakers hid from the mob. As Cheney said: “Hours passed without necessary action by the president. These non privileged texts are further evidence of President Trump's supreme dereliction of duty during those 187 minutes.”

Cheney took the fight directly to Trump with her accusation of “dereliction of duty.” The Capitol was under attack, and the one person who everyone believed could stop the attack, the commander-in-chief, refused to. A number of lawmakers tossed the term “dereliction of duty” around immediately after the insurrection, but it has faded from conversation as Republicans have lined up again behind the former president. It is, though, an offense under the U.S. military code, and therefore is something that people understand is serious.

Cheney was more specific in another accusation of criminal behavior. After establishing that many lawmakers and media personalities begged then-president Trump to call off the rioters, she asked: "Did Donald Trump, through action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede Congress’s proceedings?"

What Cheney did tonight was courageous. She put herself on the line in the struggle to hold Trump and his loyalists accountable. As other lawmakers claim to be afraid to stand up to Trump out of fear for their safety, she has made herself a key target of the Trump loyalists in order to defend our democracy.

But that was not all that happened in the hearing.

To underscore that the material Meadows handed over was not privileged, Representative Stephanie Murphy (D-FL) explained that Meadows conducted business on a personal cell phone and over personal email accounts, as well as over Signal, a secure messaging system that encrypts messages so they cannot be unlocked by anyone but the receiver.

The committee members also increased pressure on those continuing to protect the former president.

Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) revealed other messages, from unnamed lawmakers, expressing sympathy for the insurrection. One lawmaker texted Meadows: “On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.” A message from a lawmaker the next day read. “Yesterday was a terrible day. We tried everything we could in our objection to the 6 states. I’m sorry nothing worked.”

This evening, Thompson told reporters that “the information we received has been quite revealing about members of Congress involved in the activities of January 6th as well as staff.” He said the names of the lawmakers involved in the events of that day will come out. One of those involved is almost certainly Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH), who has been evasive about when and how many times he talked to Trump on January 6, although says with certainty he did.
Rolling Stone reported tonight that two people who helped to organize the January 6 rally at the Ellipse are saying they will cooperate with the committee fully. Dustin Stockton and Jennifer Lawrence, who have both been subpoenaed by the committee, are longtime activists who tended to operate on the margins of established politics.

CNN business journalist Brian Stelter noted that right-wing media channels—including the Fox News Channel, Newsmax, and One America News—did not cover the January 6 committee hearing at all tonight. Hannity, though, did interview Meadows, opening his show by telling viewers: "The hyperpartisan predetermined-outcome anti-Trump January 6 committee just voted 9 to 0 to hold Mark Meadows in contempt for refusing to comply with their orders." He went on to ask Meadows why Congress is not investigating what Hannity painted as the terrible riots in the summer of 2020.

Their discomfort might reflect, in part, that they, too, were implicated in the events of January 6. After begging Trump to call off his supporters during the insurrection, the same personalities went in front of their audiences on camera and lied that Trump had nothing to do with the insurrection. Ingraham, for example, blamed Antifa for the attack on the Capitol, suggested the riot was staged by provocateurs, and suggested there were just three dozen people.

The suggestion that Antifa was the real culprit on January 6 might or might not have been related to the plan suggested yesterday that Trump had expected counter-protesters and had been prepared to use the ensuing violence as a pretext to declare martial law. At 5:25 p.m. on January 5, Trump tweeted: “Antifa is a Terrorist Organization, stay out of Washington. Law enforcement is watching you very closely!”

Just three days ago, on Friday, December 10, Ingraham interviewed Trump, who told her he wasn’t involved in the rioting on January 6 and that his words that day “were extremely calming.”

The resolution to hold Meadows in contempt will go to the full House tomorrow.


https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson ; in the comments to the post are her sources


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14 Dec 2021, 7:26 am

I wish they wouldn’t drag this thing along so much.

But I guess they have to make sure they obtain and gather conclusive evidence.

One thing that baffles me: why isn’t that phone call to the Georgia election official by Trump mentioned much? It seems to me that this was a precursor to the later events.

And how about that tweet Trump
sent, telling the insurrectionists that, in essence, he loves them, but wishes they would “go home”?

It’s obvious Trump sought to remain in power via extra-constitutional means.

I don’t know if “something is rotten in Denmark”—but, as Elmer Fudd said, “there’s something really screwy going on.”



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14 Dec 2021, 7:59 am

Those silly MAGAs. They were doing so well when it came to large protests. And then they had to go and stage the queen mother of all riots.



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14 Dec 2021, 8:02 am

The ambition of the insurrectionists
was to overturn the official electoral vote count, which was going to occur on January 6th in the Capitol Building, by force.



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14 Dec 2021, 8:18 am

It seemed more like a spur of the moment action with people running amok, rather than something planned out.



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14 Dec 2021, 8:34 am

I wish that wasn't so.....but it was, obviously, planned out--at least some components of it.

Trump didn't want to give up his Presidential seat to Biden.....and he was going to use all means at his disposal (and even some not at his disposal) in order for him to remain in power.

On January 6th, the official electoral vote tally was to be taken in the Capitol Building. And the results of this tally would make Biden the official winner. Trump and mates sought, through any means necessary, to prevent this from happening.



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14 Dec 2021, 8:55 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
It seemed more like a spur of the moment action with people running amok, rather than something planned out.


Even though much of the planning has been documented? :scratch:


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14 Dec 2021, 9:18 am



"The January 6th Commission" on December 13th, 2021,
Uncovered The FACT THAT AT LEAST TRUMP Egregiously
Was Derelict in His Duties of Presidential Office and Commander

in Chief of Putting an Immediate Halt

Through Action of Stopping a Deadly

Insurrection to Overthrow Part of our

Democratic Process; Even Begged by His

First Born Son in a Similar Way a Child Abused

Will Still Protect Their Father From Trouble With the
Law as that's all they got in this World That's Still worth

it to them
through all

The Bruises
And Such to Protect "BIG DADDY;"

Anyway, "Minions" Follow Despicable
Leader's Through HiStory, Who are Living

In Scarcity With Little Real Meaning and Purpose

In Life, Led By the Promises of Carrots and the Fears of
Sticks, Either Illusory or Real, Manufactured by the Demagogue
Who Is Only Interested in Their Selfish and Psychopathic Leaning

Interests; And Of Course, There is the Other Kind of Minion that Follows

Them as Loyal Disciples of 'The DarK' to Keep Status and Power and Material

Gains that Come with that; This is the Church And State of the DarK Side of Humanity

No Different

Than Higher
Ups in the Catholic
Church Protecting Pedophile
Priests, Archbishops, And Cardinals

For Paying For Their Crimes Against Humanity
For the Most Vulnerable Among US, the Children;

Yet You See, Those Who LiVE iN Scarcity Without
Meaning and Purpose Are Also Among the Most Vulnerable

in this Country As Well; And This is How the DarK Force Comes to Be...

And This is How Democracy Fails; And This is What Happens When So Many Folks

Takes Democracy For Granted

And Are Shopping For Christmas

Now, Then Filling Up Garages With More

Walmart Trash that NO, Will Never Be
Used As More Important than Paying

Attention to the Ocean As The Titanic

of Trump Approaches An Iceberg Larger

Than the Old Titanic Story; And A Scandal

In the Land of Democracy That Makes 'Watergate'

Look Like

A Nursery
Rhyme Among Children...

Meanwhile, Folks Will Ignore
It Until One Day Democracy Goes Poof And Blows

Away or They Will Pay Attention And Take Immediate

Action to Hold Those Accountable For if they Do Not

They Are Just as Guilty as Trump For Sending Democracy to 'the Gallows'

With 'Chants

of Hang

The Vice President'

With 'Banners' of 'Jesus Saves'

Supporting the Whole Holy Hell...

And 'Stuff' Hitting the Fan in the

Next 'Minion Movie' Come to Fruition in REAL LIFE

THAT IS IN NO WAY FUNNY AT ALL FOR WHAT MAY

COME TO FRUITION

IN THE HORROR
SHOW VERSION

OF THE MINIONS
AND THEIR MOST
DESPICABLE LEADER
EVER IN THE UNITED STATES.



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14 Dec 2021, 2:22 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Even though much of the planning has been documented? :scratch:


I'm not saying it wasn't planned. I'm saying it looked more like spontaneous chaos.



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14 Dec 2021, 7:33 pm

It was a great opportunity for some nuts to run amok, and destroy things.......



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14 Dec 2021, 8:57 pm

I sincerely hope they can finish up before a possible Republican take over of both houses of congress. Otherwise the Republicans will kill the investigation and prevent any subsequent actions against team Trump.


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14 Dec 2021, 11:30 pm

Doesn't the government have more pressingly critical matters to deal with right now? It's like we could be in the middle of WW3 and there'd still be another trump investigation going on.



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14 Dec 2021, 11:51 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Doesn't the government have more pressingly critical matters to deal with right now? It's like we could be in the middle of WW3 and there'd still be another trump investigation going on.


But we're not in the middle of WW3. Right now, there's a legitimate concern about a domestic threat to our free government and free society, which is why the investigation into Trump is so important.


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15 Dec 2021, 12:39 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Doesn't the government have more pressingly critical matters to deal with right now? It's like we could be in the middle of WW3 and there'd still be another trump investigation going on.


He will run for re-election.

There are implications he was hoping for an excuse to call martial law. Not proven, but shouldn't we know one way or the other if he's the kind of man who was thinking that way?


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15 Dec 2021, 1:30 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The ambition of the insurrectionists
was to overturn the official electoral vote count, which was going to occur on January 6th in the Capitol Building, by force.


And lynch the congress, don't forget
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/us/k ... -riot.html

Even women were heard calling for congressmen to be lynched.



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15 Dec 2021, 2:54 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Doesn't the government have more pressingly critical matters to deal with right now? It's like we could be in the middle of WW3 and there'd still be another trump investigation going on.


But we're not in the middle of WW3. Right now, there's a legitimate concern about a domestic threat to our free government and free society, which is why the investigation into Trump is so important.


But we are in the middle of a huge crisis of epidemic proportions right now. That's far more of a clear and present danger.