Whats wrong with Suicide?

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See MarkM's response. It is my views on it which I dont feel like defending.

Suicide is bad to most people because... you die. I guess it's that simple. Everyone else just thinks if you want to die, then you should. It's just one of those things that you can't really talk to anyone about. You try, it's either "oh u just wan atention lolz" or something else really stupid.. the general response "Oh, you have so much to live for" Is that REALLY true? How can you convince anyone that? No one knows what you feel like.

I guess it's just the general assumption of society (no, I'm not saying Neurotypicals, rather society as a whole) that no one sane would want to kill themselves. I guess some people just don't know what it's like to have nothing to live for.

Not sure where you are, but in the US they have "hard impact" anti-drunk driving programs in schools. How it works is that a number of kids (either picked at random or from "at risk" kids) are taken out of class by a man dressed as the Grim Reaper and kept away from their families overnight. Then the parents/guardians go through a roleplay where they are told by police that their kid "died" in a drunk driving accident and then they record their feelings. The kids who "died" are then presented with the tapes at an assembly the next day at school, in front of the entire school. There are also displays of wrecked cars that were destroyed in real drunk driving collisions.

So I would think, what we could do is have at risk for suicide youth taken from their families and put in a medically induced coma for a month. Then when they are awakened they are confronted with video diaries kept by loved ones. The "body" will also go through a mock "funeral". I think that when the kids are confronted with the reality of being dead, and with the pain they caused their loved ones, they would want to live. If they see video of the entire school crying over their "death", and of inconsolable parents and bf/gf's, they would think twice about killing themselves.

Many people who haven't actually been there think that suicide is silly and irrational and, well, stupid.

The people considering suicide are in a desperate position. I've been there twice myself. They do not think that suicide is silly or irrational, because they can't see any hope at all in their life for whatever reason. It's logical, is it not? If there is no hope, then what is the point? But, if you wait long enough, other avenues start to become available to you and you can see light at the end of the tunnel, though sometimes you have to make it happen.

In my case I was going nowhere, not that long ago. My confidence was zero, I didn't have anyone but my family (who did not always understand) to confide in. But after a while I started to make use of my interests as best I could within my limitations, started meeting new people and having their helpful shoulder to cry on during the bumpy road out of the gloom. I'm not saying that right now I'm feeling the best I ever have done, but I have accepted myself for who I am and enjoy and embrace life's challenges. That's just my experience, I can't speak for anyone else.

For all those considering suicide, I'd encourage you to tell someone if you haven't already, and if you have, talk about it to someone who may understand and can help you out of it.

Just one problem - no one would ever be willing to pay for that kind of therapy. A month long hospital stay with someone being drugged and loaded with tubes, likely needing an anaesthesiologist on hand, dealing with the fact that their stomach could be shriveled, they may not be able eat again on their own, even if they could their muscles would be atrophied, they'd be in significantly worse health than when they went in, possible development of bed soars, it would easily be a $80,000 trip just to do serious damage to your own body. Insurance, reciprocally, would never dream of covering such a thing and even if you hat that in your pocket and offered that to the hospital they'd refuse, its begging for a malpractice suite and technically what you're requesting is malpractice.

Whats wrong with suicide? no bl**dy future in it!

That and its only profitable if the person in question had a significant fortune.

I think people are against it because it symbolizes someone who is in immense pain,
and they don't like to think killing yourself could ever be preferable to living.
Rose-colored glasses make them happier.

"It'll get better." That's of no help now. And in many cases, no. It will not get better. They will continue to live on in agony, as they often have for years, until they make an exit.
"It's a permanent solution for a temporary problem" falls under that bunk.

"They leave behind friends and family who are devastated." Nope. Not really. Some might. Others have absolutely no one in the world who gives two s**ts about them, and others are so actively-hated they are TOLD they should kill themselves. As for the ones who do have people who care, where the hell have they been up until this point? And if they cared, why would they want someone to continue clinging to a life of pain?

If people want to get upset over suicide, make a world where no one is friendless and alone, people aren't made to hate themselves for being different, and there is no stigma or hindrance in seeking help for mental illness.

Until then, I'm thrilled when someone has offed themselves- they have escaped the clutches of whatever tormented them.

Standard. typical knee-jerk reactions to suicide are a function of unconsciousness, lack of thought/reflectivity, religious and social conditioning, and just plain cluelessness. "Oh no!" "You shouldn't kill yourself! That would be a mistake!" "Don't do it!" On what basis do people make such an assertion? Without knowing anything about the person or their circumstances. The axiomatic assumption that suicide is always a desperate emotional act is just as absurd and unfounded as the concomitant assumption that "things will get better eventually if you just hang in there!"

Worst of all is the claim that suicide is selfish, That assertion, by itself, demonstrates a complete and utter lack of experience with the kind of suffering that most of us who have suicidal thoughts have endured over the course of our lives. Selfish??! Are you kidding me??! ! People who say that don't have a clue. Not an inkling of a clue.

Of course, a lot of people-- especially teenagers-- attempt to kill themselves in a fleeting moment of emotional upset. If I was dealing with such a person in such a situation I would encourage them to seek help and support and discourage them from taking their life. Of course And, of course, when someone cashes in their chips the people closest to them suffer. Of course. But to tell someone that they, by moral necessity, must go on enduring excruciating emotional pain. hopelessness, and despair for decades to come-- because to do otherwise would be "selfish," that's just absurd.

Life isn't fun for everyone. For many it's torturous and excrutiatingly painful. And it doesn't automatically get better if one rides things out, although people want to believe that and don't want to hear otherwise. When I suggest that the standard, knee-jerk reaction to suicide is a function of unconsciousness and thoughtlessness or non-reflectivity, I'm not only talking about mindlessly following social conditoning. That's a factor as well, but we are all hardwired to survive. It's a human instinct. And when we see someone else pondering the possibility of taking their own life, that tends to trigger our own survival impulses. We feel a vicarious threat to our own existence, and there's an immediate impulse to snuff out that threat.

Approaching the matter from the other direction, most people grapple with hopeless, despair, pain, at times in their lives, so they feel some degree of temptation, at least on rare occasions, to put themselves out of their misery. The existence of that temptation-- OR EVEN JUST THE POSSIBILITY-- poses a threat to their innate, hard-wired instincts to survive. If taking one's own life is okay, not only does that possibility open up for me, as something that I have to CHOOSE not to do-- but my axiomatic assumptions that "life is good," "things will always get better," "it will all work out well in the end," etc. become threatened as well. Suicide poses a threat to the people around one, because (at least at the level of temptation (ie. imagination, possibility, fantasy) it's as contageous as a yawn.

What amazes me most about the knee-jerk societal reaction to suicide is the complete cluelessness that people seem to have (or is it just outright denial?) that we are all going to die-- permanently die-- very, very soon. People seem to have a built in self-denial system which operates in a fundamentally irrational manner. It's complicated and convoluted. Part of it is ignorance, and part of it is simplemindedness, but most of it is simple denial. What I'm labeling ignorance and simplemindedness has to do with the idea that we humans exist for a long time-- that a great deal will be lost if one kills oneself because one has "one's entire life ahead." That's nonsense. Forget about cosmological time (trillions of years) or geological time (billions of years), or evolutionary time (millions of years). Even in historical time alone, our lives are imperceivable blips on the screen. We are all dayflies. We didn't exist at all for billions and billions of years. We exist for a few decades, then we don't exist again for billions and billions of years.

We all have a terminal disease. We were born with it. The only difference is that for some of us the disease is much more painful than it is for others.

suicide is wrong because it is against the law.

Well in my case its not that illogical if I say things probably won't get better, in fact they will probably get worse. I mean sure things in life in general are not all bad but the depression is never going to dissapper so I will always have that pain to deal with.

lol I never can take that reason seriously.

i think mainly the fact that it causes other people hurt. it's like taking your pain and passing it on to someone else

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I honestly do not think that really makes sense.....if someone kills them self all of what they went through does not get transferred to whoever might miss them. I mean if I ever do kill myself i do not think anyone who cares about me will all of the sudden have memories of being a total outcast who most people disliked most of the time. or anything like that they will experiance sadness of my death but that is a little bit different.

This is the typical kind of trite assinine comment I'd expect from a conservative s**thead.