I don't want to die but I will, goodbye world

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06 Dec 2015, 9:44 am

We recently had a mass shooting event in a developmental disabilities center, of all places, in southern California. So of course the evening news has NOTHING ELSE. I wanted to hear how the climate talks in Paris are going, but nary a mention. Not saying the shooting and its terrorist implications aren't news - it's just the wall to wall carpeting that I object to.

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06 Dec 2015, 5:09 pm

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But, strangely, I can relate to your fears. They are justified. Take a holiday in scotland, go hiking. Loch lomond area. Life appeared quite different there, after I had a breakdown/depression/panic attacks in London, just from it being regular London.

Loch Lomond is the ancestral lands of the clan my dad comes from (maybe I should use "came from" since he's dead). He always wanted to visit Rossdhu Manor which was the home of the top guy in the clan (it's now a hotel, I think). I would love to visit there, but I don't have any money and Americans are so widely hated around the world that we really can't go anywhere without fearing for our safety.

I understand where Joe is coming from, I had terrible anxiety about the world ending when I was her age. Part of the solution was antipsychotic meds, part of it was embracing the fact that we all die, eventually, and that the terrorists have it right that death should be loved and embraced instead of feared. Humans tend to go through life afraid of death, and this fear drives them to seek safety and mediocrity instead of boldly venturing into the unknown. Once one embraces death, one will break through the societal programming that keeps us afraid.

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06 Dec 2015, 9:08 pm

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I would love to visit there, but I don't have any money and Americans are so widely hated around the world that we really can't go anywhere without fearing for our safety.

Tgat just is not true. It was worse in Europe when Bush was still president, and has gotten a lot better since. People will ask you whether you support Trump, though...

It reminds me of the Israeli girl I studied with in the UK. She had grown up being taught that jews are hated all over the world, and when she left home to study abroad, she feared for her life- until she noticed, that people couldn't care less. They might have been insensitive, but generally uncaring for her being from israel.

Go travel to scotland, when you have the money. You guys are always great fun to have around. Unless you're a New York Hipster, but if you are, you wouldn't care about my opinion.

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07 Dec 2015, 7:56 am

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Go travel to scotland, when you have the money. You guys are always great fun to have around. Unless you're a New York Hipster, but if you are, you wouldn't care about my opinion.

lol

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07 Dec 2015, 8:10 am

hey joe, i know your not looking for platitudes, but i wanted to share something. i have been thinking that these days are the most disturbing since the 60's - early 70's. those were crazy times too. but i just saw an article with a chart of the number of terroristic attacks in the usa by year. we had 13 so far this year. there were 430 in 1970. so yeah it can get worse, much worse, but if you stay alert of your surroundings you can improve your chances of not becoming a statstic. follow your instincts, the inner warning system. in those days i lived in daily fear of very real physical harm and it affected me the rest of my life. but i survived, like the overwhelming number did, and its worth it surving.

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07 Dec 2015, 9:50 pm

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pezar wrote:

I would love to visit there, but I don't have any money and Americans are so widely hated around the world that we really can't go anywhere without fearing for our safety.

I'm from California. We are WAY more laid back than New Yorkers.

Anybody who supports Trump is unlikely to have the money to travel abroad. He's the Trailer Trash Billionaire-he's loved for his wealth by people whose chances of being rich are probably best expressed in negative numbers. His opinions are stuff you'd be most likely to hear in a bar in "Flyover Country" that has Confederate flags stating "The South Shall Rise Again" on its walls. The problem is, they vote. When polls say that Trump would be beaten by Hillary, of all people, but the far right loves him anyway, America has a big problem. He'd even be beat by Bernie Sanders! The thing that scares me about somebody like Bernie winning is not Bern himself but the far right wackos who would try to start a civil war if he won.

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07 Dec 2015, 10:14 pm

Consider the channels you heard every piece of information that has left you scared. Was it considered and balanced? Or was it from the media, which functions in large part to terrify you for its own agenda.

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07 Dec 2015, 10:34 pm

I said it before, I'll say it again: if ISIS is hell-bent on destroying everything in their sight, including themselves, they can do so. The entire world would be a better place without the stench of humanity.

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07 Dec 2015, 11:35 pm

That is why we need to stand up for our heritage and tradition, we need to unite against a common enemy. We need to stop handing our homeland over to terrorists or pampering to them.

The crime rate in Germany and Sweden has skyrocketed and it is already happening in England with the tube incident being one of many incidents to come. Your concerns are completely valid, most people do not want to see it unless it happens to them. Liberals believe that they are made of rainbows and that they want to come here to chill and watch Netflix.

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In 1975, the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the former homogeneous Sweden into a multicultural country. Forty years later the dramatic consequences of this experiment emerge: violent crime has increased by 300%.

If one looks at the number of rapes, however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the police; in 2014, it was 6,620. That is an increase of 1,472%.

Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.

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08 Dec 2015, 3:20 am

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If one looks at the number of rapes, however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the police; in 2014, it was 6,620. That is an increase of 1,472%.

Rape is a poor crime to report statistics on unfortunately a lot of it doesn't get reported.

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08 Dec 2015, 4:35 am

That, and was probably reported less back then.

That's a long time-scale, the population has increased quite a bit since then!

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08 Dec 2015, 6:12 am

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The crime rate in Germany and Sweden has skyrocketed and it is already happening in England with the tube incident being one of many incidents to come. Your concerns are completely valid, most people do not want to see it unless it happens to them. Liberals believe that they are made of rainbows and that they want to come here to chill and watch Netflix.

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In 1975, the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the former homogeneous Sweden into a multicultural country......................................

Do you have a source for the above? This has been often used on propaganda style websites.

For a more balanced view you may want to read this article:
Sweden's rape rate under the spotlight

The large statistical increase has been since 2005, not 1975 which is just a cherry picked date. This is when a deliberate choice was made to change the types of crimes included as rape and the recording of crimes.

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But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries' records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely.
"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in Sweden - it's almost trebled in just the last seven years. In 2003, about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010.

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But Klara Selin says the statistics don't represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.

The police have also made efforts to improve their handling of cases, she suggests, though she doesn't deny that there has been some real increase in the number of attacks taking place - a concern also outlined in an Amnesty International report in 2010.

"There might also be some increase in actual crime because of societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it's much easier these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want to. Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this period.

"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."

If anything can be taken from this it is the fact that sexual violence towards women is still largely unreported and not taken seriously in many countries.

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08 Dec 2015, 7:21 am

Rape occurs by family members in the high 90% rather than from strangers.
Also what heritage and traditions are you wanting to protect? As a resident of the UK our recent history and traditions come from a series of invasions, and a mish-mash of cultures that subsequently settled.
Most government action is not concerned with patriotism or unification, it is primarily a business transaction, often thinly veiled as something else.

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08 Dec 2015, 8:03 am

Usually you know someone who has been raped and don't realise, I know 2 people and 1 case where it nearly happened but there are probably more and I am unaware.

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