question for those who have lost someone to suicide

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25 Nov 2009, 4:13 pm

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I just keep trying to dig a bit deeper and find some more of myself to give and hold on with.

I PS'd on my last post while you were posting:

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PS. Equally serious aside: are you eating enough meat/fish or other source of Vit B12, because a B12 deficiency can cause very serious depression, anxiety, overwhelm, fatigue, and inability to cope with stress and pressure etc.


But about leaving; why not go away for a month, or two or three or more; give yourself a rest and a breathing space, if the alternative is suicidal depression and perhaps death?

When did you last go away for more than a day or two? When did you last have a holiday?

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25 Nov 2009, 5:09 pm

To this day I remember like it was yesterday when my cousin shot himself, and I was 6 years old at the time. He was like 16 and although I only met him a couple times he always was super cool to me and treated me like a little brother. I obviously didn't understand it that well at the time, but enough so that I can recall how much it destroyed his family. My aunt and uncle divorced shortly afterward, and my uncle (my dad's brother) never got over it. Despite that, and all the other f**ked up things that happened afterward to my uncle, he was a total stand-up guy at all times, never got into any kind of downward spiral with booze/drugs/anything.

But eventually (two years ago, almost 20 years afterward!) it all became too much and he too killed himself in the same way that his son did. I know especially with suicide hindsight is 20/20 but in his case there really were no warning signs at all. He got out of bed one morning, called the police and gave them his name and address and said he was going to kill himself and that they could find him at home. They showed up in less than 5 minutes and he was already gone.



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25 Nov 2009, 5:33 pm

ouinon wrote:
lotusblossom wrote:
I just keep trying to dig a bit deeper and find some more of myself to give and hold on with.

I PS'd on my last post while you were posting:

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PS. Equally serious aside: are you eating enough meat/fish or other source of Vit B12, because a B12 deficiency can cause very serious depression, anxiety, overwhelm, fatigue, and inability to cope with stress and pressure etc.


But about leaving; why not go away for a month, or two or three or more; give yourself a rest and a breathing space, if the alternative is suicidal depression and perhaps death?

When did you last go away for more than a day or two? When did you last have a holiday?

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yep, I need a break from all the stress. Ive got an essay coming up which is building pressure on me and Im really battleing with the social workers so its all a bit on top. The social workers have said I can have respite so maybe that will help.

Tom just made this video about me and I feel so touched by it

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUVIzMEHnl8[/youtube]



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25 Nov 2009, 5:38 pm

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To this day I remember like it was yesterday when my cousin shot himself, and I was 6 years old at the time. He was like 16 and although I only met him a couple times he always was super cool to me and treated me like a little brother. I obviously didn't understand it that well at the time, but enough so that I can recall how much it destroyed his family. My aunt and uncle divorced shortly afterward, and my uncle (my dad's brother) never got over it. Despite that, and all the other f**ked up things that happened afterward to my uncle, he was a total stand-up guy at all times, never got into any kind of downward spiral with booze/drugs/anything.

But eventually (two years ago, almost 20 years afterward!) it all became too much and he too killed himself in the same way that his son did. I know especially with suicide hindsight is 20/20 but in his case there really were no warning signs at all. He got out of bed one morning, called the police and gave them his name and address and said he was going to kill himself and that they could find him at home. They showed up in less than 5 minutes and he was already gone.

thank you very much Amazon television for sharing your experiences with me, it really helps me very much.

I think it will help other suicidal aspies to keep in mind the effect on people.



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25 Nov 2009, 5:55 pm

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Tom just made this video about me and I feel so touched by it.

It's lovely! :)



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25 Nov 2009, 6:11 pm

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Tom just made this video about me and I feel so touched by it.

It's lovely! :)


yes its so very wonderful! no one has ever said nice things like that about me before. :D

I feel such a horrible monster for distressing him all the time by talking about killing myself. Im such a mean s**tbag :x He says he would be devistated yet I still go on feeling like topping myself and still keep going on and on about it, poor him :(



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24 Dec 2009, 10:09 am

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I have known several people who have committed suicide. The first was Ian, a friend of mine who had HIV. He moved to another city and I found out about his death when I was fifteen. I went numb. I got off the phone, walked into the bathroom, shoved an earring through my nose (he used to always tell me how he thought I should pierce my nose... I still wear a ring in my nose to this day) and then went about life as normal, but took to binge drinking on the weekends in his honor... did that for about a year... Next one was Matt. I worked with him in my early twenties... he and I hired in at the same time. He was also HIV positive... he got his from a blood transfusion as a child. I took his death worse because his roommate (who happened to e the love of his life) also worked with us. One night he and I worked together, he seemed fine... That night he saw his roommate dancing with another coworker, went home, wrote a note, went out back and shot himself. I flipped right out. I had to go from his funeral to work. People kept asking me what was wrong until I freaked out on this guy, screaming, crying, throwing stuff... then I just went back to working like nothing happened. I was not ok after Matt died for about a year. He and I were not close, but he never told me he had HIV, he never told me the developing relationship with the roommate upset him so, he never said a thing. I wanted to bring him back to kill him myself. His death f**** me up bad. Next came Selena. She was severe bipolar and the best friend of my husbands 'brother'. She could not afford her meds. She went depressive, hid in her room, left a note, ate enough pills to kill a horse and washed them down with alcohol. She was hard to deal with due to how she effected my husbands 'brother'. He still has not recovered, I doubt he ever will recover. That was seven (?) years ago? He fell into a deep depression that almost killed him. He drank every day, did heavy drugs, got fired, started having brutal panic attacks (not that there are nice, calm ones... but his scared me)... He had to leave state. Being here became hell to him. The last one was Warren. I grew up with him. He hurt me the worst. He was messed up. His dad was an abusive alcoholic... but Warren always tried to be better... it just never worked out for him. I watched him go from a crazy kid to a man who just wanted to get a good job, a good woman and become a good dad. He was the first person to hold each of my kids. He went home one night and shot his face off. His sister found him the next morning. She is not ok. His mom is not ok. His daughter is not ok. I am not ok. This was six years ago. I spent the first month crying. I spent the next six months screaming at him while crying. I went through three years of severe depression. When I started not thinking of him everyday, I immediately felt guilty, like I was by not mourning, taking away from the memory of how wonderful he was and became depressed again. I resented anyone who encouraged me to get better. I screamed at people who told me to not be morbid and obsess over the dead. I threw things at almost everyone who told me they understood, because they did not. The only person during those years (my kids not included) was an internet friend of mine who lost someone around the same time in the same kind of way who had similar history with the woman he lost. He was good for me. I was good for him. He and I hated the world together for awhile. I know I will never be the same because of Warren. I keep crying while writing this... It took me years to be able to live again. He took part of me with him. Earlier this month my friend of twenty years got a call... her brother in Indiana hung himself in the garage. His wife found him hanging there with his hands bound. My friend is not ok. Her family is not ok. He was depressed... he left behind not only a wife, but three young children. She keeps thinking she has no tears left to cry... she keeps being wrong.

I do not think your post is in bad taste. It is hard to know how suicide will effect people. It is hard to appreciate the devastation it leaves behind because people grieve in the weirdest ways. Even people who seem ok (unless the have some kind of disorder that genuinely alters their reactions) are not ok. They usually harbor guilt for feeling relieved if that person is a burden... They feel misery, then guilt for not doing something or knowing or saying the magic words that would have made them alive still, they wait for some guy to come in and tell them they are on candid camera or some crap, they feel rage, they feel dead inside. Sometimes they feel all that at once. I have watched people fall apart and never put themselves back together. I am one of those. When someone in my family dies naturally I just see it as part of the cycle of death and rebirth. I might miss them, but that kind of death makes sense to me. Suicide makes no sense to me. It really can destroy the living. I have seen it first hand too many times... trust me... I know.


do i have permission to show this to someone if they consider suicide?



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24 Dec 2009, 5:42 pm

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dossa wrote:
I have known several people who have committed suicide. The first was Ian, a friend of mine who had HIV. He moved to another city and I found out about his death when I was fifteen. I went numb. I got off the phone, walked into the bathroom, shoved an earring through my nose (he used to always tell me how he thought I should pierce my nose... I still wear a ring in my nose to this day) and then went about life as normal, but took to binge drinking on the weekends in his honor... did that for about a year... Next one was Matt. I worked with him in my early twenties... he and I hired in at the same time. He was also HIV positive... he got his from a blood transfusion as a child. I took his death worse because his roommate (who happened to e the love of his life) also worked with us. One night he and I worked together, he seemed fine... That night he saw his roommate dancing with another coworker, went home, wrote a note, went out back and shot himself. I flipped right out. I had to go from his funeral to work. People kept asking me what was wrong until I freaked out on this guy, screaming, crying, throwing stuff... then I just went back to working like nothing happened. I was not ok after Matt died for about a year. He and I were not close, but he never told me he had HIV, he never told me the developing relationship with the roommate upset him so, he never said a thing. I wanted to bring him back to kill him myself. His death f**** me up bad. Next came Selena. She was severe bipolar and the best friend of my husbands 'brother'. She could not afford her meds. She went depressive, hid in her room, left a note, ate enough pills to kill a horse and washed them down with alcohol. She was hard to deal with due to how she effected my husbands 'brother'. He still has not recovered, I doubt he ever will recover. That was seven (?) years ago? He fell into a deep depression that almost killed him. He drank every day, did heavy drugs, got fired, started having brutal panic attacks (not that there are nice, calm ones... but his scared me)... He had to leave state. Being here became hell to him. The last one was Warren. I grew up with him. He hurt me the worst. He was messed up. His dad was an abusive alcoholic... but Warren always tried to be better... it just never worked out for him. I watched him go from a crazy kid to a man who just wanted to get a good job, a good woman and become a good dad. He was the first person to hold each of my kids. He went home one night and shot his face off. His sister found him the next morning. She is not ok. His mom is not ok. His daughter is not ok. I am not ok. This was six years ago. I spent the first month crying. I spent the next six months screaming at him while crying. I went through three years of severe depression. When I started not thinking of him everyday, I immediately felt guilty, like I was by not mourning, taking away from the memory of how wonderful he was and became depressed again. I resented anyone who encouraged me to get better. I screamed at people who told me to not be morbid and obsess over the dead. I threw things at almost everyone who told me they understood, because they did not. The only person during those years (my kids not included) was an internet friend of mine who lost someone around the same time in the same kind of way who had similar history with the woman he lost. He was good for me. I was good for him. He and I hated the world together for awhile. I know I will never be the same because of Warren. I keep crying while writing this... It took me years to be able to live again. He took part of me with him. Earlier this month my friend of twenty years got a call... her brother in Indiana hung himself in the garage. His wife found him hanging there with his hands bound. My friend is not ok. Her family is not ok. He was depressed... he left behind not only a wife, but three young children. She keeps thinking she has no tears left to cry... she keeps being wrong.

I do not think your post is in bad taste. It is hard to know how suicide will effect people. It is hard to appreciate the devastation it leaves behind because people grieve in the weirdest ways. Even people who seem ok (unless the have some kind of disorder that genuinely alters their reactions) are not ok. They usually harbor guilt for feeling relieved if that person is a burden... They feel misery, then guilt for not doing something or knowing or saying the magic words that would have made them alive still, they wait for some guy to come in and tell them they are on candid camera or some crap, they feel rage, they feel dead inside. Sometimes they feel all that at once. I have watched people fall apart and never put themselves back together. I am one of those. When someone in my family dies naturally I just see it as part of the cycle of death and rebirth. I might miss them, but that kind of death makes sense to me. Suicide makes no sense to me. It really can destroy the living. I have seen it first hand too many times... trust me... I know.


do i have permission to show this to someone if they consider suicide?


Oh yeah, not a problem at all.


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24 Dec 2009, 9:15 pm

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Oh yeah, not a problem at all.


thanks. i think it would be very good for them to know just how much a suicide affects the people who love them. i'm sorry you've gone through so much pain. :( but hey, every hardship makes us stronger.



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25 Dec 2009, 6:10 pm

My absolute best friend has tried to kill herself a few times. One time was close, leaving her dead for two minutes. I just collapsed psychologically for about a week. During that week my housemate had three friends visiting, living and sleeping in the house for five of those days and I simply did not notice. Had she actually killed herself my breakdown would have been complete, just the sheer contradiction between the truth what I was psychologically capable of accepting. Would have failed university, working/volunteering would be out, doubt I could have handled social life. And this may have lasted years, its difficult to say. For all the struggles I currently face, that may have been the end of me or at least far, far worse off.


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15 Mar 2010, 6:05 pm

I do not think that the damage I would do to someone is a good enough excuse to keep me from doing it.
It seems to me that that would make it even worse.
And I have seen that lots of the arguments are basically these:
"Please do not, you are young and [insert presumed asset here]!"
"That is selfish of you."
"[reason] is a horrible reason to do that."
And to be honest, none of these would keep me from it.



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15 Mar 2010, 7:29 pm

My sons father died on Xmas day 2008. At first it was considered a suicide by police but was then confirmed by the coroner that it was an accidental death by drug overdose.

We had not been together since my son was a baby. He is now 15. My son and he did not have a close relationship, but were in each others lives.

My sons father was a bigot, nasty, manipulative and aggressive. In and out of jail and completely unreliable. I had no problem with the drugs and made every effort to help him stay on methadone and get therapy to help with his issues.

To be brutally honest I wen through a kaleidoscope of emotions. He had left behind a wonderful fiance who I really respected. I was angry, quietly relieved, deeply sad, unsurprised and so on. This is when I thought it was suicide and strangely the feelings didn't change when the coroners report said differently. I mean, what did he expect with other pharmaceuticals coursing through his body? Did he think at the time that it was a GOOD idea?......and did he think of his son when making such a fatal error in judgement?

No he didn't.......to be honest, I could live with the idea that he wanted to end his life. He had had a revolting childhood which made my nasty childhood look like a walk in the park. He suffered through this life immensely. But he never got help EVEN though he was the first to admit that he seriously needed it. I busted my arse to get better so I could stay alive for my son.......I cannot help but project that onto him. He was a father after-all.

Sorry for my negative response........I am bitter, but only when I think of it.

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