Why am I not strong enough to kill myself?

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25 Jul 2011, 12:21 pm

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I know you feel OP. Wish I had the strength to kill myself.....


I am sorry you are having this sort of feeling too, and hope you do not try and kill yourself.


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25 Jul 2011, 3:09 pm

Are you really going to kill yourself over a guy?

I've never even had a single relationship. No woman has ever been the least bit attracted to me.

I have no job and no prospects of ever getting a decent job, all because I wasted time getting worthless degrees instead of getting experience.

I have no close friends.

And you want to commit suicide because a relationship with a guy isn't working out?



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25 Jul 2011, 3:29 pm

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Are you really going to kill yourself over a guy?

I've never even had a single relationship. No woman has ever been the least bit attracted to me.

I have no job and no prospects of ever getting a decent job, all because I wasted time getting worthless degrees instead of getting experience.

I have no close friends.

And you want to commit suicide because a relationship with a guy isn't working out?


No, I am not going to kill myself over a guy, but I felt bad enough that I wanted to, and it is more than that.

I too have no job and little prospect of working, and got a worthless degree, I have no close friends. little to no contact with family and many other things, it is not always as simple as it looks.


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25 Jul 2011, 5:36 pm

*Big internet Hug*

I admit, I won't take being called a b***h from anyone. The one time my BF tried it, I dumped him for 2 weeks :lol: . But then, I have a temper.

However, 11+ years ago, I would certainly have tried to kill myself if I were in your situation, although I would have considered, reconsidered and re-reconsidered for a couple of months before I finally went for it! :lol: Never let it be said that my suicide attempts have been casual! :lol:

I'm not going to talk about the methods I used on here, in case someone thinks it's a good idea to copy me. From the age of 13-27 I was pretty consistent with my method, as are most long-term suicidals. However, having had my stomach pumped and been forced to swallow charcoal, I decided to go a different route for my final attempt in 2000. I researched it, tried it, and ended up having one of the most unpleasant experiences of my life in the 24 hours afterwards, physically, mentally and socially (NHS hospital staff should be flogged for the attitude they have towards the suicidal!). I was sent home, and put into the NHS mental health system that day.

The psychiatrist I was sent to said something which really resonated with me. He told me that it isn't actually that easy to kill yourself - your body is going to fight you every step of the way. Remember that Bupa advert ("You're amazing - we want you to stay that way")? It's a similar principal. Your body's entire purpose is to keep itself alive, cure itself if it gets ill, eject things which are bad for it, heal cuts and fight infections. Regardless of what your brain is telling you, your body is absolutely going to fight you for its survival. In fact, the people who do manage to kill themselves often do it by accident, or via a bodily weakness which was undiagnosed.

I've tried to kill myself around 12 times, and each time been thwarted by my constitution. My last attempt ought to have killed me, or at least caused some lasting damage, but my body wasn't having it (and has punished me ever since with severe nausea every time I come near to the substance in question!).

What I'm trying to say is that suicide is not easy. If you manage to be brave enough to try it, then you still have to get the method right or else it's an automatic fail. Your body will fight your method for survival and has an incredibly high chance of winning. So then you wake up, feeling just as lousy as before, maybe wander off the the hospital, where you're treated like pond scum for wasting their time, go home and wonder what on earth to do now! It's a waste of time.

Instead, it's far better to approach the reasons underlying your feelings. Rather than looking at whether or not you want to commit suicide, you really need to ask yourself why you want to commit suicide.

For instance, did you know that a large componant of suicidal depression is anger? If you condense down all of your feelings, the ultimate answer is usually that you are angry, frustrated and feel powerless about something in your past (or things).

It's far better to try and fix those feelings than try and remove yourself from the world, because frankly, the world will go on without you. The only person who truly loses out in suicide is you - and really, do you deserve that? If you are feeling things so deeply, aren't you in truth a good person?

Best therapy in the world for suicidal feelings is some form of anger expression. Buy a punchbag. Do violent art therapy. Talk to someone. Take up martial arts.

It will help - I promise :).


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25 Jul 2011, 10:47 pm

Hi Arian, it most likely is anger, I don't know really.
I often get days when I question the point of being here, as I do not serve any useful purpose, I seem unable to interract properly with anyone I get close to, I don't work, I don't even have a current 'special' interest really, and I have little contact with my family, who seem to not care nor understand me. It is hard not to stop, and be totally overwhelmed by it when you actually think about your situation. I do not want to resort to anti depressants, really, as I don't want to be reliant on a pill to make me compatible with life.

It is the train of thought that comes after each horribly bad interraction with someone, usually a boyfriend (thankfully I have only had 3 ), that leads me to believe I am just too messed up and defective to ever be able to actually be with someone else. It is unfortunate that I wish to have a partner really, because if I was one of those here who wanted to spend their entire life alone and single, it would be perfect and it wouldn't matter that I have problems that make interractions turn to poo over small things. I really do not want to feel I am too defective to have that one thing in my life, companionship of some kind.

It is unlikely I would not be capable of committing suicide, and I am left feeling trapped in a life that I often find pretty meaningless to be honest. I am just going through the motions.


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26 Jul 2011, 2:04 am

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What can you do when the male is totally unable to understand and unwilling to listen to why you are upset, without going into some sort of defensive mode, and placing all blame with you for taking his words so seriously ?


You get counseling if its worth it--or leave if its not.

You give an ultimatum and if they care about you enough which if you think its someone you'd be with for life they should-- they will listen.

If you think your boyfriend is abusive emotionally or otherwise LEAVE immediately. Words can just be words, but i'd clarify immediately you're not okay with that and that if it happens again--you're leaving.

If you clarify that you're not okay with that and it hurts you and he says stuff like that anyway-- you need to drop him like a bad habit. In my opinion--in my humble opinion, someone who usually phrases that specifically towards a woman is trying to be demeaning and show they have no respect towards women. If I encounter a selfish b**** I leave, doesn't sound like anyone i'd be with.

When you're in any abusive situation, you make excuses for the persons behavior, you try to think of the small reasons to stay--and lemme say "books" and "videos" you left at each others places aren't good enough, at all.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:15 am

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Hi Arian, it most likely is anger, I don't know really.
I often get days when I question the point of being here, as I do not serve any useful purpose, I seem unable to interract properly with anyone I get close to, I don't work, I don't even have a current 'special' interest really, and I have little contact with my family, who seem to not care nor understand me. It is hard not to stop, and be totally overwhelmed by it when you actually think about your situation. I do not want to resort to anti depressants, really, as I don't want to be reliant on a pill to make me compatible with life.

It is the train of thought that comes after each horribly bad interraction with someone, usually a boyfriend (thankfully I have only had 3 ), that leads me to believe I am just too messed up and defective to ever be able to actually be with someone else. It is unfortunate that I wish to have a partner really, because if I was one of those here who wanted to spend their entire life alone and single, it would be perfect and it wouldn't matter that I have problems that make interractions turn to poo over small things. I really do not want to feel I am too defective to have that one thing in my life, companionship of some kind.

It is unlikely I would not be capable of committing suicide, and I am left feeling trapped in a life that I often find pretty meaningless to be honest. I am just going through the motions.


I know exactly how you feel :). My last suicide attempt was so traumatic, I'm not sure I'll ever have the guts to try again - but that doesn't stop my brain from telling me I want to :). However, I analyse it and recognise that it is a simple miswiring of reactions. When something bad happens, my first thought is to kill myself. Kinda illogical, don't you think? I too feel that I am a waste of oxygen - how can I possibly interact with a world which has treated me like this? But, I also recognise that I'm a nice person. I really am, you know. And that's the key. Killing myself because of social difficulties is foolish, especially when my death won't make the slightest impact or change 'their' minds. Yes, I feel the pressure of being unable to find a job, worry about my ability to maintain my relationship, get so stressed over little things that I'm like to explode, and I have writer's block! 8O But I am still a nice person and I don't think I deserve to die because I am a waste of oxygen :).

Except that I'm not - because there really aren't that many nice people out there in the world, and I need to make sure I'm okay so I can make others feel good. Trite, but it works as a reason in my muddled brain :lol:

So, give me the reasons to kill yourself and and reasons not to, please :).


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26 Jul 2011, 6:43 am

Graelwyn, I've seen you post on here before, and if anything, I think you're strong enough NOT to kill yourself.

Yes, someone has said that already, but I agree. I don't think you should let 'him' or anyone get you down to the point of Suicide.

Hang in there, and if you want any support message me. :)



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26 Jul 2011, 11:55 am

This is not the man for you. This is not the man for anyone, in his current state.

I was married to a man like this, a man who tried to "gaslight" me at every turn, and he was a textbook narcissist (look up NPD). Get out while you can. I'm very serious about this.

Try to analyze objectively the patterns in his behavior. If he is a narcissist, you will see, over and over again, how everything comes back to the buoyancy of his own needs and self-esteem. You are merely a means to this, and you do not really matter to him as an individual person. The toilet seat joke is part of that, it's an attempt to separate and victimize himself (from all he's suffered from humankind) and absolve himself of blame or accountability.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that takes very, very intensive therapy to treat, with only moderate results. I've seen ideas that theorize that Aspies are especially vulnerable to Narcissists because of our relative interpersonal difficulties.

I wish you luck. I've read your other posts on your issues with him, but this is the first time I've responded.



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26 Jul 2011, 7:51 pm

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What can you do when the male is totally unable to understand and unwilling to listen to why you are upset, without going into some sort of defensive mode, and placing all blame with you for taking his words so seriously ?


You get counseling if its worth it--or leave if its not.

You give an ultimatum and if they care about you enough which if you think its someone you'd be with for life they should-- they will listen.

If you think your boyfriend is abusive emotionally or otherwise LEAVE immediately. Words can just be words, but i'd clarify immediately you're not okay with that and that if it happens again--you're leaving.

If you clarify that you're not okay with that and it hurts you and he says stuff like that anyway-- you need to drop him like a bad habit. In my opinion--in my humble opinion, someone who usually phrases that specifically towards a woman is trying to be demeaning and show they have no respect towards women. If I encounter a selfish b**** I leave, doesn't sound like anyone i'd be with.

When you're in any abusive situation, you make excuses for the persons behavior, you try to think of the small reasons to stay--and lemme say "books" and "videos" you left at each others places aren't good enough, at all.


The problem is, I have no idea how to bring the subject up, without causing further issues.
I would like to tell him that if he ever calls me a b***h again, he will not be welcome round again, but I am not by nature especially assertive.

I have told him in the past that things hurt me, and it is always a similar reaction, though this was the first time he called me a b***h.
Usually he says 'God, I meant nothing by it, its just words, why do you take everything so seriously?'.

I did ask why he wanted to come round for dinner the next evening if I was a selfish b***h, and he ignored me and still asked.
It is, from my own assessment and from knowing him 5 months, as if his way of dealing with aspergers has been to place blame on everyone else.
He has been attacked numerous times since young, for his opinions, but instead of questioning how he puts his opinions across, he blames the world, and asks why he deserved to be attacked just for having an opinion.

I shall most likely have to just revert to being just a friend or aquaintance.
I am loathe to walk away altogether and confirm his belief that there is no such thing as a friend, I do care about him a lot, and he does have a very kind and decent side, and a sense of world justice, however, that is not helping when he reacts so badly to any indication that he has done something hurtful.


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26 Jul 2011, 7:53 pm

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Graelwyn, I've seen you post on here before, and if anything, I think you're strong enough NOT to kill yourself.

Yes, someone has said that already, but I agree. I don't think you should let 'him' or anyone get you down to the point of Suicide.

Hang in there, and if you want any support message me. :)


Thankyou Alternative, I am glad to see you are still around.
I reach points when I do not feel strong, and get tired of everything. I suppose many here do.
Rationally, I know that I should not let a situation with another person get me to a point of being suicidal, but then, I think, envisaging a life with no-one in it at all, is very difficult and I tend to consider that will be my only option if yet another relationship/friendship, goes to crap.


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26 Jul 2011, 7:58 pm

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This is not the man for you. This is not the man for anyone, in his current state.

I was married to a man like this, a man who tried to "gaslight" me at every turn, and he was a textbook narcissist (look up NPD). Get out while you can. I'm very serious about this.

Try to analyze objectively the patterns in his behavior. If he is a narcissist, you will see, over and over again, how everything comes back to the buoyancy of his own needs and self-esteem. You are merely a means to this, and you do not really matter to him as an individual person. The toilet seat joke is part of that, it's an attempt to separate and victimize himself (from all he's suffered from humankind) and absolve himself of blame or accountability.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that takes very, very intensive therapy to treat, with only moderate results. I've seen ideas that theorize that Aspies are especially vulnerable to Narcissists because of our relative interpersonal difficulties.

I wish you luck. I've read your other posts on your issues with him, but this is the first time I've responded.


I did look into NPD after reading a discussion about that Norway killer being suspected of it by some forum members, but it didn't seem to fit my bf. Can npd exist alongside Aspergers?

I know aspies find it very hard to take criticism and can react to it with anger and defensiveness, and I had assumed that this was what the problem was...that he cannot deal with any thought he might be in the wrong, or might have communication difficulties.

It is true, he tends to turn any mention of my own past abuse or sufferings around, and either bring up the attacks he has been through or the greater picture of what others are going through in the world, as if to point out that I am lucky I am even alive.

I shall look again into npd, either way, I am in a place now where I am sort of trying to be out of my place when he comes round for his usual evening here, because I am very bad at knowing what to say when I need space or time to think. It is a no win since he is not talking and I am not talking, and we now just sit in silence, lol. Because I cannot see the point in carrying on, pretending nothing has happened, and waiting for it to happen next time.


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26 Jul 2011, 8:09 pm

i hear you on the not strong (or weak) enough to do it. I hope im wrong about myself.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:26 pm

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26 Jul 2011, 8:32 pm

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26 Jul 2011, 9:56 pm

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The problem is, I have no idea how to bring the subject up, without causing further issues.
I would like to tell him that if he ever calls me a b***h again, he will not be welcome round again, but I am not by nature especially assertive.

I have told him in the past that things hurt me, and it is always a similar reaction, though this was the first time he called me a b***h.
Usually he says 'God, I meant nothing by it, its just words, why do you take everything so seriously?'.

I did ask why he wanted to come round for dinner the next evening if I was a selfish b***h, and he ignored me and still asked.
It is, from my own assessment and from knowing him 5 months, as if his way of dealing with aspergers has been to place blame on everyone else.
He has been attacked numerous times since young, for his opinions, but instead of questioning how he puts his opinions across, he blames the world, and asks why he deserved to be attacked just for having an opinion.

I shall most likely have to just revert to being just a friend or aquaintance.
I am loathe to walk away altogether and confirm his belief that there is no such thing as a friend, I do care about him a lot, and he does have a very kind and decent side, and a sense of world justice, however, that is not helping when he reacts so badly to any indication that he has done something hurtful.


Sounds good graelwyn. He just doesn't seem like a really good romantic prospect tbh, I mean.. he could have the "good" kind, world justice side and still treat his woman with respect.

About you being suicidal.. our minds naturally protect us against the prospect of it, thats why we're so afraid of it. Thats what I think anyway.

I always thought that if I ever committed suicide, it'd be at 60+ anyway, because if life sucked then it might just suck forever. Also.. I fear death, its not just release, its the end.. of good things, bad things--you replying to this post etc.

My girlfriend sometimes complains about things regarding me and she will say "please I just need you to listen" (Not those exact words always) and I do. Sometimes venting is needed, sometimes accurate yet tactful honesty is needed. How does he feel? A truly good guy wouldn't mind trying something new like listening and being patient if it means seeing the person he loves happy.

You swallow your pride for 5 minutes, versus whats usually being happy for a long time.