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02 Jun 2012, 12:23 am

I think that's a very human reaction. And I'm sorry the organization couldn't really handle it.

Please remember there are other jobs working with horses, although it is late in the game for this summer.



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02 Jun 2012, 12:39 am

I do not want to go to college, but my classes would all be paid for by grants, and my family is really really pushing me to go.

I really wanted to work at this camp, it's a very good camp, and one of the very few around who have horses... I don't know if there's anything I can say though that might make her really want to hire me again. I love this camp, I love the lay-out and the schedule, and the activities, and most of all caring for the horses, and of course the campers. it's been 9months and I still pysically hurt and often cry when I think to much about camp.
everything reminds me of camp...

I suppose you could say it's one of my special interests.


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02 Jun 2012, 12:44 am

trinket wrote:
I do not want to go to college, but my classes would all be paid for by grants, and my family is really really pushing me to go.

I really wanted to work at this camp, it's a very good camp, and one of the very few around who have horses... I don't know if there's anything I can say though that might make her really want to hire me again. I love this camp, I love the lay-out and the schedule, and the activities, and most of all caring for the horses, and of course the campers. it's been 9months and I still pysically hurt and often cry when I think to much about camp.
everything reminds me of camp...

I suppose you could say it's one of my special interests.


Well I can sort of understand the family pressure, but honestly if you don't want to go to college you probably shouldn't. I mean are there any technical schools that offer programs more fit for you intrests in your area? that may be a better way to go....but yeah if you go to college it should be because you want to otherwise it is quite hard to make it work out. I mean it's your life so eventually you have to find what works for you not what your family expects.


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02 Jun 2012, 12:51 am

well there was the running off into the forest for a few hours(no-one could find me) and then returning and hiding in the tack-shed crying(had to be talked down so that I could continue working)

then the next week after that, they changed the schedule around without telling us beforehand, the sleep under the stars was moved to a new location(from the forest to the beach, I hate sand, it gets in my shoes and clothing and sleeping bag), and some other things that were stressful for me, and with the recent loss of the horses(and being written up about that and another really stupid thing that I don't feel I should have been written up about) I started cutting because I didn't know any other way to deal with the stress

so I ended up being fired because I was cutting and because I disappeared into the forest during a meltdown, I was scared, I didn't know i had Aspergers then, I just knew that I wasn't making friends with the other(60+) staff members(they never invited me to go places with them, but they all went places together) I didn't understand them, I was having issues with sound and commotion, and I couldn't control myself, I was so scared, I didn't know what was going on, and before camp I wasn't out with people at all really for about 2 1/2 years(home-schooled online)

but I was good at my job despite my issues, I have a gift with horses(my #1 special interest) and am good with campers(I think it's because of my unique way of thinking), I do well in the structured follow-the-schedule camp life, if it wasn't for not getting along well(i didn't NOT get along with them, they were just like strangers) with the other staff, and losing the horse, and the dang people suddenly and randomly changing the schedule, I would have been amazing.


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02 Jun 2012, 1:04 am

The quote-unquote full-time load is 15 hours. I've only been able to do that one semester and that was very stressful. Most of the time I took 12 hours, and the way I throw myself into a class and perfectinize, that is full-time. (I finally learned pre-studying which is so effective it's almost cheating, just entirely legal cheating)

Sweetleaf is right. There are all kinds of technical programs and it should be something you have a real interest in.

At the same time, this takes a while to line up and there might be a case to be made for doing something rather than nothing in the meantime.



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02 Jun 2012, 1:19 am

if you were fired from the job, you're probably unlikely to get it back. Organizations tend to re-write the past to justify decisions, I wish it wasn't this way, but it sure seems to be.

I'd start looking for other horse places.

At the same time, maybe write a one-page letter, acknowledging that you should have let someone know you needed to be alone for a while, acknowledging without overapologizing. Even then , it's a long shot.

Beginning when I was four years old, all through my boyhood, we had guinea pigs. Each one is different with its own personality, some adventuresome, others shy. I think they're great animals. And when an animal dies it is a big deal.



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02 Jun 2012, 1:59 am

Hi, our Aspie Tribe does care about you, as imperfect as we may be. :D

I need to start getting ready for bed now, but will be available tomorrow.



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02 Jun 2012, 10:43 am

AardvarkGoodSwimmer is right - we care! ((hugs)) Your posts are scaring me. Please don't do it. Please!! :( I have been where you are - feeling completely overwhelmed and hopeless with no reason to stay here - but I'm glad that I did stay here. You need to tell your therapist that you are having these thoughts. You need the help, sweetheart. ((hugs)) again.

PM me if you want. And please come back to let us know that you are ok. I'll keep checking back throughout the day.



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02 Jun 2012, 11:12 am

a couple of strangers "caring" is not a valid reason


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02 Jun 2012, 11:26 am

trinket wrote:
a couple of strangers "caring" is not a valid reason


Yeah I can understand how it doesn't make your pain any less...hmm I wish I had a valid reason that would work for you but I doubt any of my valid reasons would work for you as they are not even very convincing to me. This probably doesn't help either.


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02 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm

trinket wrote:
a couple of strangers "caring" is not a valid reason


So then what about friends or family? Would you not put them through unimaginable pain by taking your own life? Is that not valid enough? Someone cares about you.

You've shot down every single reason that everyone else has thrown out. Why would expect a couple of strangers to possibly give you a valid reason at all? Also consider the fact that you probably have several valid reasons to live, but you're too blinded by your hopelessness and depression to see it until you get help and get well. Like I said, I've been there.

I really think you need help, stat. I'm very concerned! Ok, so I am stranger to you - I still care about you and your well being, whether you believe it or not.



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02 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm

I see my Dr. Monday and my psychologist thursday


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02 Jun 2012, 1:59 pm

Hi, I thought I might share some of my experience working at H&R Block which might be similar to some of your experiences at the summer camp with the equestrian team.

My third year there I was offered a promotion to office manager, which generally just involved a lot of paperwork and micromanagement from above. One Saturday, one of our employees who was a middle-aged lady working as a receptionist came to me and said she was concerned about a potential stalker who was interested in one of the younger receptionists. I said something like, 'Wow, that's pretty serious. Thank you for coming to me. And yes, personal safety is very important. And I think these kind of cases, yes, I think a person needs to trust your gut instincts, for gut instincts are often a good thing to trust. You might want to also talk to Ann* who's here.'

Ann* (not her real name) was the district manager who was there to do a Saturday training.

I thought I handled it pretty well. Since I'm a guy and Ann's a lady, I thought she would be more attuned and more skilled in handling a situation like this.

About fifteen minutes later I heard Ann on the phone: ' . . What I don't understand is why you're leading him on! . . You're bringing this problem into the store!'

That is, Ann handled the situation about as badly as she could. If someone was to make a training film in stereotypical fashion of what not to do in cases of sexual harassment and what not to do in cases of potential stalking, Ann pretty much did this.

Looking back, I wish I would have made a complaint to the company hierarchy right then and there. And what I didn't fully realize at the time was that I lost respect for Ann as a boss and a co-worker.

I talked to the young receptionist on Monday basically saying: Guys can be first-rate jerks. If we need to call the police, we'll call the police. And try not to hold it against Ann, she's good in other areas.

That is, I tried to be low-key and effective and non-rattled. I think I did okay. I might have still be able to do better.

Later on, this young receptionist said, 'He better not become a stalker!' which I thought was good and healthy anger on her part.

About three weeks later, I hung up on the phone to Ann on some unrelated stuff. (And my real mistake was picking up the phone in any thing less than 4 hours!) I called up the main regional person and told her the whole story, but by then it was a big whelter of a mess.

About that time, the potential stalker came back to the store. The older receptionist came and told me that guy was there again looking through the window. I went outside with my business card. And the fact that I'm 5'5" I think played to strength because I'm not physically intimidating. I said, 'Hi, I think there's been a misunderstanding' as I handled him my card. We met on the sidewalk about midway between the H&R Block location and the next store. It was broad daylight. Poker player that I am, I tried to make a point to keep track of his hands in my periphereal vision, so if he tried to hit me, I could block. I repeated, 'I don't know all the facts, but I think there may have been a misunderstanding. First off, she's a lot younger than you are.' He said, I see, and walked off. And I think the fact that I did not humiliate the man put the odds more in our favor.

And for this act of physical bravery on my part, well, it became just one more thing they criticized me for in the whelter of confusion and half-lies when they fired me. The older receptionist actually made me a cake, but I had already been fired and I didn't check my phone messages for two days.

The main regional lady (Ann's boss) took the tact, people who are younger need to learn office appropriate behavior. That is, she blamed this young receptionist. And then, I think rather realizing and feeling that she had put herself into a box, she looked for things to blame and attack me about. I was talking about other problems with the store, hoping we could make progress on these and then get back to the potential stalker situation in constructive fashion. And as soon as she found out that I was calling our clients denied for the loans instead of waiting for them to storm the store, she attacked, attacked, attacked.

Two days later they got me on the fact that I had asked one of the receptionists to put a note in the register, '$20 in the possession of manager _____________ ' I had split the fifty dollars of 'petty cash,' thirty for register money, twenty for needed store supplies. In fact, I had already submitted a petty cash report for about ninety-six dollars, about half of it for a large box of paper from Office Max and the other half for assorted other things. So, the petty cash was used for petty cash. And what they call 'petty cash,' they actually meant register bank. But all this other stuff, it looks like I'm covering my track at the last minute. The note in the register is redundant but it is not dishonest.

After I got fired, my Dad harshly attacked me on things he knew about (yes, I was forty-six years old at the time). Have been living with my parents, which is generally a lousy and at times a terrible situation.

I've thought about taking up a level higher in the company hierarchy, but every time I'd run this mental tape, I'm just exploding, and losing credibility. I know it's more strategic to understate and underplay the hand, but I can't really do that.



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02 Jun 2012, 4:37 pm

trinket, I think a fair amount of people struggle with cutting issues and I think you do a good and brave thing and help to create space for others by sharing that it is an issue for you, too.

I have struggled with both depression and OCD. For me, if I fear the fear, if I do something in kind of a second order way to avoid the worry, that can be a downward spiral. Instead, paradoxically, if I kind of give myself permission to do the extra precaution, especially if I get to the point, okay, maybe I'll do this extra cleaning procedure, maybe I won't, either way is fine. Then, I sometimes find that I neither want to nor need to as much. (starting at age 16, I became seriously afraid of both germs and chemicals. And at times at the beginning, my hands were chapped. Then I stopped touching things. And after a while I stopped taking showers, etc.)

What if you give yourself permission to cut when you find that the stress first builds to medium levels? The point where maybe you will, maybe you won't, either way okay. In tai chi fashion, you take a deep breath and accept that there are functional aspects to cutting. But then, in tai chi turnaround fashion, you may find that you neither need to nor want to as much.



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02 Jun 2012, 4:50 pm

Trinket, I went through the same thing (suicidal depression before college). Going away to college is very stressful for all kids. The stress and uncertainty are making you depressed. Telling your family how you feel will help and relieve pressure if you decide not to go.



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02 Jun 2012, 8:14 pm

I don't cut anymore, I quit cold turkey after camp, because no matter how much I cut- the pain can't even come close to the pain of losing camp, I will never cut again, I learned my lesson. really learned my lesson
and when I feel like cutting, I think about losing camp because of it, and the memory hurts so much I don't want to cut anymore.


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