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29 Jun 2016, 11:26 am

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Waking up another day to the realization my life no longer has meaning. My wife and love of my life of 12 years has left, and I'm understanding slowly will not be back. I cannot bear this lonelieness. The emptiness I feel inside is consuming me. I never thought I'd have to feel this way again. I never thought SHE'D make me feel this way. After knowing me and knowing how fragile I am when it comes to loss and abandonment. But she is doing it anyway...

How am I ever supposed to trust anyone again? The very person who's meant more to me than anyone, who knows me better than anyone is hurting me in that certain way that only she'd be capable-- my weakest of weaknessess-- being left behind. It's so sad to think what I've seen as this deep connection has been a burden to her. All the memories I cherish meant very little to her, I can see now. What I thought was special all this time was only special for me. The way even up until the end, a look into her eyes could make me melt. Oh, those eyes. Her smooth pale skin across mine in passion haunts me. Instead of looking back and enjoying the
memory, I get to now ask, who was this passion for that I was seeing? It surely wasn't for me as I'm being told.

How does one pick themselves up after evidently wasting so much time? I don't want to be alone. And now I may be too broken to even ever try to start again. And if I don't, why should I stop myself from buying several bottles of OTC sleeping pills, a liter of vodka and driving off into the middle of nowhere to die on my sleep in the front seat of my car so my family doesn't have to find me. I don't want to do this. I'm trying so hard to fight. I really am. But this is all just too much for me. This loss feels unbearable.

Maybe the worst part is, the fact that I really don't even fully understand why. She's never been good at speakign her mind. She's the most timid coward you'll ever meet. Even still, she's too cowardly to just tell me she's done. No, she leaves, "separating" only because I couldn't understand why we weren't trying more. She still says she doesn't know what she wants. I don't understand this. I probably never will. She's got very deep rooted mental issues. She was verbally abused by her father for years about her weight. Her whole family really. She was the only "fat" one (I hate even writing that word because I don't ever see her that way. and
she's really not even bad) on either side of her family. She came to strongly suspect over the last few years that she was likely sexually abused. She was ignored by those in her life who didn't abuse her. She was an only child. Rejected throughout her teens and early 20s by men. Had a few sh***y short lived, often very desperate attempts to find love that took her to several different states only to be heartbroken and come back. Then we met and 12 years later here we are.

I'm accepting she's really a mess of a human being, way more than I ever realized, and that keeps me from turning this hurt into hate. I hurt for her because I know if she doesn't come back, she's making the worst mistake of her life. While I have many flaws, she can search the Earth high and low and will never find a man who will love her as much as I do now. She's telling me this is because she needs to be alone. That the intensity of a marriage is too much for her. That her self esteem is low incredibly low and she is so insecure that the idea of having any man makes her uneasy because they look at other women. She cannot handle this idea. Even though in all honesty, I doubt there's another man out there that disciplines themselves in that way as much as me. I stopped looking at pornography for years when she told me it hurt her, even though she still looked at it. She would openly speak about little things like celebrity crushes, and I wouldn't say a word. If I had a job or was somewhere where a woman seemed even remotely interested in me, I'd be sure to act in a way that changed that quickly. I talked about my wife to anyone who would listen. I even kept myself from checking out other women most of the time. I mean, I'm human, but I honestly trained myself in my mind to realize how much it'd hurt her if she knew what I was thinking and often didn't even check out that woman's ridiculous ass in tights right in front of me on line.

What's even more troubling, is deep down, she's so confused on the things she wants. On the one hand, she has a desire to be used. I know she deeply desire to find a man who doesn't know her, care about her and onlty wants to use her for her body-- probably to validate herself-- because she says no one has ever wanted her like that. I guess I don't f*****g count... But on the other hand, she has a moral belief structure that would not really allow her to be that way without feeling awful abotu herself. That and she could never bring herself to do it, as I'm the only person who's ever seen her fully naked, and even a hint of the lightest criticism about her body will send her in a several day depression/panic. The thing is, in bed, I treated her like a friggin goddess. Again, I'm not God's gift here, but I know how much care and thought and effort I put in to pleasing my woman. I put a very high value on sharing those feelings. But for her, she needed objectification.

She wanted to be an object. Can't say I didn't enjoy the hell out of it. But I sometimes felt guilty, like I was contributing to an unhealthy mental state to someone I loved dearly. But, some things are simply too hard to resist. Especially when you are hypersexual, very attracted to your spouse, and she begs you to use her in those ways. I wish I could have shown her a little bit more about the love side of things. She was just never really very receptive.

So now, I what, accept all this and move on I guess right? That's what the only three people that exist that I actually speak with say. Seems to be what everything I read says. How the f**k do you do that? Some people just make it sound so easy. Ah, it's a part of love they say. These things happen. There's plenty of other fish in the sea... Has the world gone mad? Today, if you say you want to kill yourself because the love of your life has left you, you're unhealthy. You need pills. What kind of thinking is this? Sure, if it help you avoid a final irreversible act then I get it. But it's the idea. For centuries, fatalistic love was the norm. Countless stories,
and later movies were made about it. Things people watch and cry and pine over. But then real life comes and all of a sudden were supposed to just chalk that all up to fantasy an go on being our cynical selves? That's not an existence I really want any part of. But outside of taking my own life, I'm stuck with it. But I believe in a literal, Biblical Hell. I also believe I'm going there when I die. I'm not in any hurry to check in.

I have nobody to talk to about this. I literally have one friend. He lives out of state and has his third kid on the way in a few months. He's more mentally screwed than I am, but loyal to the bone. I've worn him out with all of this talk, he's got so much going on. I live back with my parents now. My mom is trying to leave me alone. I think she's scared that I'm gonna bottom out and hurt myself. She's seen the blackness of my depths of despair. My stepdad has probably been cooler to me than ever in my life, but not an emotional support type of person. I have a job, but I'm basically mute there. I listen to music the entire day, never removing my headphones, don't even make eye contact with people, and literally e-mail people sitting two seats away if I need to ask them something. So that's obviously no help. I don't have any online friends, I don't use any social media platforms, I don't keep in touch with old acquaintances, and now I'm in a situation where I may not ever be able to make any new ones. This loneliness is giving me such deep anxiety. I come home from work and sit here often for hours just staring in a silent room. I have no hobbies or interests. I mean, I had a few, but I can't concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes, and everything reminds me of her. So I'm trapped in this solitary state of painful self-reflection and self-criticism, hopless and devastated, unless I choose to get drunk, at which time those things kinda stay the same but I get too dopey to think deeply and wind up passing out. Smoking pot doesn't even help my mindset.

And she's still texting me. THe most useless daily s**t and it confuses me. She say there's still a chance, but it seems to me she's made up her mind. I don't want to be impatient on what is the most important thing in the world to me. I don't want to abandon someone who I've promised to be there for life, even if she can't reciprocate and is troubled to a point where she probably can't be in a functional marriage anymore. But people like that deserve love too don't they? Just because she's not equipped to fulfill the commitment she agreed to doesn't let me off the hook. Because I can. It's what I do. Die by people's feet if they need me to.

Everytime I see a message, my heart leaps just a little, hoping it'll be some sign that she's turning back toward me. And I've seen a few very slight ones. But I'm probably just looking too hard. This up and down is killing me. I'm thinking it'd be better if I told her we shouldn't speak until she knows what she wants. But I'm
needy. As soon as that happens, I'd want to sleep with the first woman who'd let me, even if I didn't find her the slightest bit desirable, just because it's the onyl way I know to cut feelings and I'm so f*****g lonely and desperate for a woman's kind attention. But I know this will only lead to bad things. Not to mention, I'm not at all socially capable of doing that. She's also told me she'd liek me to jjust be distant for a bit, let her try to see if she wants to be alone or not. She says it's alone or me, but projecting the facts that I explained earlier to this concept makes it really hard to interpret the truth.

I fear I'm being used. That she knows she no longer has romantic or sexual interest in me, but I know her well and am very good at comforting those I love, as I'll put myself aside and really try to know what they need. I fear she doesn't want to lose our friendship, but that's the only part she wants. There's just no way I'm emotionally able to do that. None. I don't really even want to try. That concept seems ridiculous to me.

I just don't know what to do and I feel so lost and alone. But I'm trying to beat this, I really am.


Sorry for what you're going through. Keep holding on, never give up, never surrender.


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29 Jun 2016, 7:26 pm

I know it's only been a few days, but any updates, Beaky?



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30 Jun 2016, 6:25 am

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I know it's only been a few days, but any updates, Beaky?

Hey, thanks for giving a f**k. It really means alot that someone would ask.

Not really. This is going to be a long hard road no matter what I do. It's starting to become clear to me that she's having some sort of a mental breakdown. During a rather intense exchange yesterday, which all started with her making innuendo, and me taking it way too far because if you want space, but your telling me how your vibrator broke, and your bummed out, it's like, I'll hook it up then, like you've never even had. But no. Probably wasn't wise but she sorts started. I'm getting tired of the timid s**t and at least want some answers, she basically told me that she's isolating herself from the world because she can't deal with the anxiety that comes from any real conversation. It's not only me evidently. Anything remotely serious gives her bad anxiety. Which would make working on marriage issues impossible. She knows that this is very hard on me and encouraged me to leave if I can't handle it. She can't tell me if she even wants to be with me at all right now because her mentals are so bad I really don't think she knows or is able to make such a decision.

I'm so caught right down the middle on this right now. On the one hand, I value my marriage vows very highly. You wont find too many people who values the truth of their own promises to others the way I do. When I say I will do something for someone I love, I better damn well be dead if I'm not doing it. I don't want to walk away from someone who's going through a mental crisis, even if part of dealing with that crisis is walking away from me, which is so hard to handle given my severe abandonment/loneliness issues. The fact is too, I love her. So much, more even now because I know I didn't always appreciate her the ways I could have when things were better. Regrets suck. The regret of thinking of all that wasted time I'd now almost literally kill to have back again leads me to want to hurt myself. I wont, because I promised myself I wouldn't when this all went down. Suicide is the first place my mind goes when in this kind of emotional distress, and I haven't yet done it, so I should probably just stop thinking about it because I'm never going to. And that's a good thing.

Now on the other hand, this has caused an awakening in me. I've fallen down a very deep hole that I'm climbing out of due to all the stress being removed. For about 8 years I became a big hypochondriac, and thought I had a bad heart problem, or lung cancer, or diabetes. I suck at life and figuring things out, so I never could get to a doctor because I couldn't afford it. Turns out, now that I'm back with my parents and I have, it was likely just a combo of mild asthma, a relatively benign heart valve defect, and being too fat and inactive. Being home has taken that stress, as well as what I now realize was enormous pressures that were caused constantly my knowing my wife really wasn't happy in our marriage and I was holding her captive. But now I feel those pressures lifted and alive for the first time in years. I know that rut I was in is part of why she's fallen into what she's fallen into. So I'm to blame here, which I fully accept in many ways. But blame is irrelevant. My heart says stay as long as needed because you said you would, my head says, what's the chances after all this that a functional marriage would even be possible again? If I wait all this time and put my life on hold for her, what's the chances it pays off for me in the end? Now that I'm feeling better and wasted so much time, almost all of my 30s, I want to get out and live again. And I want my love with me to do it. And if not her, then someone, because doing that alone seems pointless.

I hate to think selfishly about this, but it's hurting me so bad I have to start to. I'm the type of person who really needs someone in my life to feel content. I have no motivation otherwise. I feel so lonely. I have no friends, now no woman. I literally pace in a 3ft circle some nights because I just don't know what to do. I've held up well for the last 6 weeks or so this has been going on. But I'm breaking. I have nothing to do or look forward to. I'm just isolated and hate that feeling. And that's driving me to think of trying to find someone else. I know I can if I wanted to. I'm not the best looking guy in the world, but there's worse out there with a woman on their arm. I know there's tons of lonely women out there who would love a non-judgemental, relatively intelligent, hyper loyal, high sex drive person who actually works like me. But the thought of it makes me a little sick to my stomach, but feels like the only relief I can get from this state. It feels like my only escape. But I know if I did, that'd be it. There would be no understanding and forgetting about it if she got better. So, it's a final choice if I do that.

I'm so stuck. Anxious, lonely and confused. This is f****d.

Thanks again for checking in though. That's really cool of you. Seriously. Thanks.



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30 Jun 2016, 2:17 pm

Glad you're okay. I'm in a lot of stress myself now (though different reasons) so I can understand a little at least.



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30 Jun 2016, 7:31 pm

Thanks Beaky. It sounds like you need a friend and I do care. I hope you can find whatever support you need, here or otherwise. Situations like this can be so devastating and I really relate to how you feel toward being uncertain. I suppose, in a small way, it's positive that she seems to be having a problem generally. By that I mean that it doesn't seem to be about you, or the both of you. If she can solve her problem, then hopefully the two of you can work on rebuilding what you have together.



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30 Jun 2016, 7:39 pm

marshall wrote:
Glad you're okay. I'm in a lot of stress myself now (though different reasons) so I can understand a little at least.


Thanks man. Just so hard dealing with something like this without retreating into either depression, rage or complete detachment. Those have been so unhealthy for me, and are for anyone. Im trying to view this as a test. A challenge to completing part of my maturation that's been stalled for too long. So it's gonna really f*****g hurt. I think if I can endure this without falling into despair, I'll have something great waiting on the other side, whether that's my wife, or has to be someone else. I guess hoping I'm building some cosmic currency so that someday it'll all pay off. Beats being bitter, so I'm gonna roll with that as long as I can. Even if it's BS. Makes me feel a little better about things.

Life is stressful man. Especially when for one reason or another you have struggles coping with the day to day. Sorry that you're struggling. You can let it beat you down, or try to rise above it as cliche as that sounds. But it's true and it is a choice. A hard choice to enact, but still one that's in all of our hands. I know I go from wanting to kill myself, to actually feeling optimistic, to even thinking maybe splitting up with my wife is a thing where it's time has probably come. Then back to killing myself. But overall, I'm trying to learn and grow in hopes of something better.



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30 Jun 2016, 7:51 pm

HighLlama wrote:
Thanks Beaky. It sounds like you need a friend and I do care. I hope you can find whatever support you need, here or otherwise. Situations like this can be so devastating and I really relate to how you feel toward being uncertain. I suppose, in a small way, it's positive that she seems to be having a problem generally. By that I mean that it doesn't seem to be about you, or the both of you. If she can solve her problem, then hopefully the two of you can work on rebuilding what you have together.


I really can man. I am in need of a support system and don't have much of one. I don't socialize at all, and have just about lost the ability to at this point. Which is a shame because I never really used to be this bad. Not even close. But that's another story...

I'm trying to take away the same thing. It is complicated, because I feel my depression and negativity dragged her into this state. So I'm not sure if she gets better she'll want to come back to someone who put her there. And I did. I could elaborate, but trust me, I'm not just being hard on myself. It's what happened. But on the other hand, if it were that bad, she probably wouldn't want to talk with me at all.

But it is me too. I have alot of things I did wrong and lot I need to change that I didn't get into. Mostly because once I identify a problem clearly and commit to changing it, especially behaviorally, I can make very dramatic changes quickly and with some staying power so long as I stay motivated. I never thought she'd actually leave, leave. Now i know she can and will. I'm motivated. So it will take time of her seeing that stick I'm sure. Which is why i want to at least hang out a little bit. But that's secondary i have to realize, first is her getting her s**t straight.

So like I've been saying, I have two choices. Stay or leave. Stay means getting nothing in return, choking down all my struggles and being patient, patient, patient. And she's completely worth that to me. If I do it. And if it means she'll want to try again. But that's the risk. Or, I leave. Which is no guarantee. I'll be leaving someone I know I love and when things are right have a good relationship with, for the possibility of finding the same thing in someone who isn't broken towards me, which is also a huge risk with a very small probability of success.



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01 Jul 2016, 1:26 am

Hey Beaky, Sorry to hear about the really difficult time you are going through. I've been married 41 years and at times I know I have put my husband through hell because of my depression and inability to believe that anyone could love me and my despairing thoughts that I should just kill myself because he would be better off with anyone else but me. It took me a long, long time to work through that crap and it actually had nothing to do with him. I had totally no self worth at the time, there were all these lies that kept looping around in my mind, that I was the worst person on earth and that the planet would be better off without me.

I pray that your wife can get rid of any such lies that she may be believing about herself now and that she can come to see the truth of the love you shared together and that she can come to value herself not on how many pounds she does or does not weigh, or anything else about her physical appearance, but on her inner beauty. There never has been and never will be a person who possesses her unique qualities. That's what's so awesome, we are all totally unique. She sounds like she has a lot to work through, and from the love you describe that you have for her, it sounds like she is worth waiting for. I hope she gets the help she needs. I believe your patience will pay off.

I know you said you don't really have any hobbies or do things like binge watching to help pass the time. But what about pets? She has the parrot now? Is there a type of pet you would like that could be company for you? Animal shelters are overflowing with cats and dogs that just need someone to love them and care for them. Even if you,don't want a permanent pet, shelters are often looking for people who will foster a pet until it can find a permanent family. Just a suggestion.

Just wanted you to know lots of people here care about what you are going through.


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01 Jul 2016, 2:38 am

Hi beakybird, I've returned to see how you are, as well.

I have experienced the same, in terms of stepping away from a contentious situation, to find the weight begin to lift and my mind to clear. It is an opportunity to process things from my own perspective, as opposed to losing it, or my thoughts, to the influence of all of the various, connected stimuli whirling about.

I think it takes immense courage and strength to stay in a place of loneliness and despair. I believe, out of the most painful and contentious situations, can come abundant wisdom and healing. I believe there is a bright light, already shining for you, at the end of the tunnel you are currently making your way, through. Like HighLlama, and others, I care, too. If you can use another friend, I will be here to support you.

...and, to you, Marshall, I send the same sentiments...



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Hey Beaky, Sorry to hear about the really difficult time you are going through. I've been married 41 years and at times I know I have put my husband through hell because of my depression and inability to believe that anyone could love me and my despairing thoughts that I should just kill myself because he would be better off with anyone else but me. It took me a long, long time to work through that crap and it actually had nothing to do with him. I had totally no self worth at the time, there were all these lies that kept looping around in my mind, that I was the worst person on earth and that the planet would be better off without me.

I pray that your wife can get rid of any such lies that she may be believing about herself now and that she can come to see the truth of the love you shared together and that she can come to value herself not on how many pounds she does or does not weigh, or anything else about her physical appearance, but on her inner beauty. There never has been and never will be a person who possesses her unique qualities. That's what's so awesome, we are all totally unique. She sounds like she has a lot to work through, and from the love you describe that you have for her, it sounds like she is worth waiting for. I hope she gets the help she needs. I believe your patience will pay off.

I know you said you don't really have any hobbies or do things like binge watching to help pass the time. But what about pets? She has the parrot now? Is there a type of pet you would like that could be company for you? Animal shelters are overflowing with cats and dogs that just need someone to love them and care for them. Even if you,don't want a permanent pet, shelters are often looking for people who will foster a pet until it can find a permanent family. Just a suggestion.

Just wanted you to know lots of people here care about what you are going through.


Thank you. Your perspective is very valuable in that you've had similar struggles in your own life. I am hopeful she can exit this darkness. It sounds like you get it though. She's so fixated on how awful she is, how disgusting, how horrible and useless. It breaks my heart on top of the separation, because even if I'm forced to leave because I can't take it, I don't want her to go through life feeling that way. It's not even true. She really is a cute woman.

Yeah she has the bird, which is an additional grief here on top of everything else. I get to lose that too! I'm currently living with my parents until I figure out my life here. If this is going to go on for a long time, I will be moving out of state. No way I could afford NJ on my own. For now pets are out of the question. I'm not sure where my life is going to lead and I don't want the additional responsibility. If she turns up not wanting to come back, I'll be leaving, to somewhere, in a probably quick and ill-planned burst of escapism.

MY parents do have a German Shepherd, but it's made me realize I don't like dogs as much as I thought. I just can't take the getting bumped into, crotch sniffed, and nose up the crack everytime I come in the door. My parents think it's funny. It makes me want to punch a hole in the wall. Maybe a dog who couldn't reach my areas so easily... :lol:

But if I have to move on, last thing I want is an animal keeping me from being free to do whatever comes my way. Last thing I want is to meet someone who wouldn't want to deal with that and have a chance ruined. Having a woman in my life is far, far more important to me than having an animal. At this point I think I'm parrot or nothing. Maybe if I ever have to find someone again and it settles down, I'll consider another bird if they were into it.



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Hi beakybird, I've returned to see how you are, as well.

I have experienced the same, in terms of stepping away from a contentious situation, to find the weight begin to lift and my mind to clear. It is an opportunity to process things from my own perspective, as opposed to losing it, or my thoughts, to the influence of all of the various, connected stimuli whirling about.

I think it takes immense courage and strength to stay in a place of loneliness and despair. I believe, out of the most painful and contentious situations, can come abundant wisdom and healing. I believe there is a bright light, already shining for you, at the end of the tunnel you are currently making your way, through. Like HighLlama, and others, I care, too. If you can use another friend, I will be here to support you.

...and, to you, Marshall, I send the same sentiments...


Thank you. I'm hoping her stepping away does clear the fog. I'm also hoping that when that all clears, she decides I'm not what caused it to begin with. I mean I want her well, but if I wait all this time, she gets well, and it turns up doesn't want to be with me anymore even still, I'm not sure what I'll do. There's a good chance all that wasted time will force me over the edge.

I am trying so hard to stay through all this pain I'm having. It'd be way less painful to get hateful, and try to find another woman, but it'd be largely out of spite. Why would I hurt someone already hurt? Even if they hurt me? It's soothe me momentarily, so I think of course because I've never actually had sex outside of relationship save for the few times with each girl before it became one, so my choices here are limited.

But I do know most guys wouldn't tolerate this and would find someone else. But, most women would have left me when I went through my deep depression following the death of my best friend's dad. So, not only is it right, I feel I owe her. I feel I helped make this mess. She is fragile and I broke her. I feel so terrible even though I never did anything once intentionally to do so. I just couldn't control my own darkness from swallowing me. The regrets of all of this are really hurting me these last few days. I had SO many chances over the years to do things better. SO MANY. And I didn't. I guess I probably deserve some of this suffering. I just hope it's a lesson I get the opportunity to learn from in regards to our marriage.

Thanks again for the support and concern. I could talk abotu this situation all day long naturally, especially with no one to talk to about it. It's just so damn complicated. :roll:



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01 Jul 2016, 1:35 pm

Glad to see you still have your sense of humor through this dark time. If you did decide to get a dog, perhaps a chihuahua would be the right size, too small to greet you with a crotch sniff :D


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01 Jul 2016, 5:19 pm

I have not caught up on all the posts still, but I really, really feel you when I read what you say. Much as you stated for me, we ARE very similar. I can feel your emotions through me. I don't know how much time I have right now to write, but I really want to say so much.

I never did fully express what happened to me, all the uncertainty and stress, and I want to share with you the beginning of my story. Firstly of all, I came from a stable and rich background, although emotionally messed up.

Anyways, I too have not been alone for most of my life. Once I started dating, I jumped from one relationship to another without much time inbetween, and the relationships were long-lasting. The first one I didn't even want to be in, and I knew that, except for the emotional support. I knew he loved me and so I could trust me. Then the next one was with I married the guy who was my highschool friend. I still didn't love him though.

Then I fell, hard and strong. Like you say. I left my marriage, I couldn't not. We'd bought a house within that year, and had the wedding that year too. Then I left and moved halfway across Canada, upon where me and my love moved 3 times, started a business. Then we break up and I am left homeless and incomeless in a city I'd not even lived in a year. I lived in a homeless shelter for 3 months, then a room for 4, then finally am where I am now, my own 1 bedroom apartment. First time ever in a space entirely just for me.

Throughout these changes I've been suicidal. I've felt emotional pain so intense I did not think I could ever hurt that much. It is the worst of all pains I have ever felt in my life, and I honestly do not think most other people have felt that same way. I cried today about him too, but today, well I seem to cry a lot about things, but today it is okay, the pain is not so severe I want to end it all. I think it is because today I am living my own life, not a shared one. I am into remembering who I was, who I am, and who I want to be. I have decided to not go live with my parents, at least for now, because I know it will stifle me in ways I do not want. I am not strong enough to be independent enough of them when they are around. Much like I am not strong enough to be independent enough when I am in a relationship. Yet.

What we develop is co-dependence. It is apparently bad for a relationship. I had it in all of my relationships to a degree, not much in the first one I suppose. It seems like it shouldn't be bad, but when you're IN it, the emotional issues that both of you have, neither one of you will be able to resolve them because you're both supporting those habits and ways of thinking in each other.

See, for me, the way I see it, if I am not capable of being independent on my own, then how can I possibly be capable of being independent when I am with anyone else? And when I say independent, this applies to the very core of your being and your identity. You sound like you have no center to ground yourself, just like me. But I'm finding one again, I really am. And I'm still crying almost every day, but that's OK because I smile everyday too. It's kind of wonderful still. Or maybe that's all the drugs I'm on talking :-p

That you have no identity of your own to the point that you've taken her and made her your identity is why this is so painful I think. I get it. It's not just that she's gone, YOU are gone too. Yet when you 2 first started out and met, you had a different identity. And she liked that identity. And now your identity is just her.


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01 Jul 2016, 7:16 pm

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I have not caught up on all the posts still, but I really, really feel you when I read what you say. Much as you stated for me, we ARE very similar.

I can feel your emotions through me. I don't know how much time I have right now to write, but I really want to say so much.

I never did fully express what happened to me, all the uncertainty and stress, and I want to share with you the beginning of my story. Firstly of all, I came from a stable and rich background, although emotionally messed up.

Anyways, I too have not been alone for most of my life. Once I started dating, I jumped from one relationship to another without much time in between, and the relationships were long-lasting. The first one I didn't even want to be in, and I knew that, except for the emotional support. I knew he loved me and so I could trust me. Then the next one was with I married the guy who was my highschool friend. I still didn't love him though.

Then I fell, hard and strong. Like you say. I left my marriage, I couldn't not. We'd bought a house within that year, and had the wedding that year too. Then I left and moved halfway across Canada, upon where me and my love moved 3 times, started a business. Then we break up and I am left homeless and incomeless in a city I'd not even lived in a year. I lived in a homeless shelter for 3 months, then a room for 4, then finally am where I am now, my own 1 bedroom apartment. First time ever in a space entirely just for me.

Throughout these changes I've been suicidal. I've felt emotional pain so intense I did not think I could ever hurt that much. It is the worst of all pains I have ever felt in my life, and I honestly do not think most other people have felt that same way. I cried today about him too, but today, well I seem to cry a lot about things,
but today it is okay, the pain is not so severe I want to end it all. I think it is because today I am living my own life, not a shared one. I am into remembering who I was, who I am, and who I want to be. I have decided to not go live with my parents, at least for now, because I know it will stifle me in ways I do not want. I am
not strong enough to be independent enough of them when they are around. Much like I am not strong enough to be independent enough when I am in a relationship. Yet.

What we develop is co-dependence. It is apparently bad for a relationship. I had it in all of my relationships to a degree, not much in the first one I suppose. It seems like it shouldn't be bad, but when you're IN it, the emotional issues that both of you have, neither one of you will be able to resolve them because you're both supporting those habits and ways of thinking in each other.

See, for me, the way I see it, if I am not capable of being independent on my own, then how can I possibly be capable of being independent when I am with anyone else? And when I say independent, this applies to the very core of your being and your identity. You sound like you have no center to ground yourself, just like me. But I'm finding one again, I really am. And I'm still crying almost every day, but that's OK because I smile everyday too. It's kind of wonderful still. Or maybe that's all the drugs I'm on talking :-p

That you have no identity of your own to the point that you've taken her and made her your identity is why this is so painful I think. I get it. It's not just that she's gone, YOU are gone too. Yet when you 2 first started out and met, you had a different identity. And she liked that identity. And now your identity is just her.



Yeah there was reason I said we seemed to be going through similar stuff, while having similar positions mentally/emotionally. I don't usually put myself out there and identify so openly if I didn't think so. s**t even the fact that, in your recollection, I count three relationships. Which is exactly what I've had. I never touched a
girl, not a kiss nothing, until I was almost 18. She more or less assaulted me, and we dated for a year and a half before she left me for a good friend. At which point (literally within the week)I dated said good friends ex, (and close friend of a few years), for 5 years. I wasn't even attracted to her. She wasn't my type, personality wise, intellectually or physically. We were just cool, it was comfortable, and we were going through the same thing together. That went real bad and I held on, (as I'm seeming to think is my M.O.) waaaay too long. Took a year off, tried online dating. Literally the first person I even talk to was my wife. 12+ years later here I am. I've never even been on a date that didn't turn into years. Not one. I'm almost 38...

Ah, co-dependence. It's a concept I'm sort of sick of hearing about, though you explain it in a logical way I can contemplate. I need to understand more about this.

My wife has told me very similar things to what you just said in reference to herself. Regarding not being able to work on yourself while with someone kind of thing. Which I guess is a really bad thing for me in the context of the continuance of our marriage. Because she's messed up and that could take a LONG time. She needs almost total isolation from me. I can't do that for that long. My emotions WILL force me at some point to cut off or it'll send me right back into the hopelessness I'm trying to leave. And I desperately don't want to leave her behind. And that's what it feels like I'm doing. I feel like somewhere under all this s**t she's going thru there's a part of her that desperately wants me to stay and wait. But she can't even ask me to do that. Also, I don't want to go on waiting for her as she goes through some dramatic psychological change. Chances are, her priorities, wants, and needs may be drastically different even upon exiting her current state. I have to accept that at some point. And it's going to likely have to be my call to make as to when I've had enough. She's unlikely to conclusively say "I've had enough". Just seems to me a good relationship should be co-dependent. Or maybe i just can't conceive of how a loving relationship could not become co-dependent. I'm prone to that behavior.

I've had bad co-dependency issues with my best friend for years. I've known him 17. I get attached. Badly. I also was abandoned by my father at 8yrs old as well. So my attachment issues are immensely hard to manage. And I'd imagine can be very overbearing. But no one ever clearly communicates that to me. Most people do not clearly communicate most things of this nature.

You are right in saying that I do not have an identity. I never really have. I've never aspired to much. I've never had too many passionate interests other than close interpersonal attachments. I'm not entirely sure why. I do have a pretty short attention span. I just remember a bunch of useless random stuff. Random facts and thigns that stuck into my disjointed mind. So I don't even know what I want. What I want is someone to be happy with, have fun with, and feel close to. That's just... my goal. Always has been from a pretty young age. Never wanted the family thing, but did always want a wife. And I had one. But that may never be right. So what now? It's hard to be motivated without someone to be motivated for. I have NO friends around. NO ONE to talk to alot of the time. I'm used to my wife, and my goddamn parrot that I miss too. I'm trying to get into better shape because of health issues and want to look a little better if I'm going to end up single. I try to occupy time like that. But I've always sucked at self soothing. I've always liked video games and baseball. With all of this stress, I can't get into sitting still and paying attention to something. I need to be moving, occupied or sleeping. Or really, really drunk and high. Which I'm working hard on as I speak. My point being, I'm not even sure what "my" identity even is. I'm not sure how to find out what it is either.

I do believe you bring up an excellent point in my re-attaining my own identity, because what is there to love when all my identity is is my wife? Seems counter intuitive to me, but it doesn't make it wrong. Just alien.



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01 Jul 2016, 7:22 pm

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Glad to see you still have your sense of humor through this dark time. If you did decide to get a dog, perhaps a chihuahua would be the right size, too small to greet you with a crotch sniff :D


Yeah I'm all parrots at this point. We had an African Grey, a very demanding bird. Awesome animal. But very demanding. I'd maybe opt for a more mellow, easy to travel bird like a cockatoo. But a Grey's talking is just too amusing.



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02 Jul 2016, 2:51 am

The sorrow and pain you are feeling is so evident within your post. I offered to be of support to you, but, I don't always have the words. I hope I don't fail you and this point. I hope whatever you wish to happen, comes to fruition in the end. I think the healing that takes place for you, during this time of solitude, will provide you with the mental capacity and inner strength to get through the most challenging aspects of what may be on the horizon, whether you and your wife reunite, or otherwise. You likely, cannot predict what will transpire, unless you make the choice for yourself, so, perhaps, the best approach to take in the present moment, is to try the best you can, to focus your thoughts on things which are unrelated to the present circumstances. I am aware of the immensely difficult that can be. Particularly, if you are ruminating uncontrollably. However, if you are not in a state of perpetual rumination, perhaps you will begin to try refocusing your thoughts. Give it a try, as many times as you can, throughout each day, as, the more attempts you make at redirecting your thoughts, the more likely you will be, to find success with it. Once you find that you have the ability, it will become easier with each attempt. The time you are taking away, in and of itself, will provide you the opportunity to focus on yourself and your own needs. Be compassionate and understanding of yourself. Every positive thing that you engage in, during this time, will benefit the outcome of your situation. If you are taking care of your own well-being, you are contributing to a positive outcome, whether you reunite with your wife, or otherwise. You will be more prepared for whatever the outcome, as opposed to the outcome taking control over you, or, as you stated, 'forcing you over the edge'. I wish I had the ability to speak specifically to each of the things that you have expressed. I will return, soon. Be well and be good to yourself, beakybird. You deserve so much love and compassion and kindness. You are such a good person and you will get through this. If the heart emoji didn't beat, I would post it for you. That beating heart, really freaks me out. Forgive me.

Love to you, beakybird.

Here is a hug from me to you ((((((beakybird)))))



beakybird wrote:
Thank you. I'm hoping her stepping away does clear the fog. I'm also hoping that when that all clears, she decides I'm not what caused it to begin with. I mean I want her well, but if I wait all this time, she gets well, and it turns up doesn't want to be with me anymore even still, I'm not sure what I'll do. There's a good chance all that wasted time will force me over the edge.

I am trying so hard to stay through all this pain I'm having. It'd be way less painful to get hateful, and try to find another woman, but it'd be largely out of spite. Why would I hurt someone already hurt? Even if they hurt me? It's soothe me momentarily, so I think of course because I've never actually had sex outside of relationship save for the few times with each girl before it became one, so my choices here are limited.

But I do know most guys wouldn't tolerate this and would find someone else. But, most women would have left me when I went through my deep depression following the death of my best friend's dad. So, not only is it right, I feel I owe her. I feel I helped make this mess. She is fragile and I broke her. I feel so terrible even though I never did anything once intentionally to do so. I just couldn't control my own darkness from swallowing me. The regrets of all of this are really hurting me these last few days. I had SO many chances over the years to do things better. SO MANY. And I didn't. I guess I probably deserve some of this suffering. I just hope it's a lesson I get the opportunity to learn from in regards to our marriage.

Thanks again for the support and concern. I could talk abotu this situation all day long naturally, especially with no one to talk to about it. It's just so damn complicated. :roll:[/quote]