OCD is caused by demons

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we have a brain and we have a spirit, both of which interact with one another.

A person can be simply mentally ill in their brain or psyche. However, demons can manipulate weakness if they find a way in. It's not an either/or. I think mental illness and spiritual attack generally are a part of one another, though it can be one or the other at times.

I have had personal experience with this. I have from time to time been tormented with obsessive thoughts, not audible voices, but definitely not my own thoughts--for so long I thought they were, so I tried fighting it with medication, positive thinking, and counseling. The torment had gone on about two months, 24/7. I'd wake up with yelling in my head and go to sleep with it. The thoughts would make me feel ashamed. THen they would make me ashamed for feeling ashamed. And then ashamed for that, and so on.

During this time, I started to realize it was spiritual, but kept trying to deal with it on my own and ratioanlize it. Finally I realized it for what it was, demons. I began praying intensely and rebuking the spirits. I had my family pray for me. I talked with my pastor. I dealt aggressively with the spirits invoking the name of Christ. A few days after I had this realization I woke up. The voices were gone. The depressoin was gone. COMPLETELY. I kept thinking, ok, it's going to come back. Then one day went by. then another. then another. for a week. Previously I struggled to deal with things literally minute by minute.

Now it has been about two and a half weeks. No noise. No depression. It vanished. I still have issues I'm dealing with--issues that the spirits would hang onto and attack me with. But I no longer have voices condemning me for them. I just have to deal with them as unfortunate things. I can honestly say I believe a miracle took place.

Now I will say I have a few times begun to hear the thoughts, and instantly I rebuke them and they leave.

Juggernaut, that is an amazing testimony.

The demons I know are good...

I realize it's not going to convince anyone that is a skeptic. Heck, I'm a major skeptic--one who believes in the spiritual but demands major proof. That's why I refused for so long to even consider it. All I know is that I was truly deteriorating as I lost my sanity more and more, and tried resolving my issues and everything. In the end, it was not dealing with my issues that fixed it. They left after prayer. And it's not placebo because I did not even expect it to change. I couldn't even imagine feeling normal. And suddenly I did.

I have experienced similar - but in my case it cannot be attributed to prayer, as I am non-religious. I am sure there is a simple psychological reason behind the success of prayer in conquering mental illness, similar to what I have been through. And I still feel it is unhelpful to claim that demons are behind mental illness - that belief in itself is strikingly similar to the delusional beliefs of some sufferers.

That said, it isn't my intention to argue, so I will say no more.

i have only skimmed this thread..but I can say this....I have experienced the rottenness of unescapable OCD loops and one of the methods I used to deal with some that were really messing with my life, was doing comics about them, and in the comic, I just so happened to personify my OCD loops as sorta little demons....

just thought I'd throw that out there.

No, I wasn't thinking of you. I was actually speaking from self-observation.

There is a difference between personifying a part of yourself as a demon, and fearing something within yourself that you believe has invaded your mind; to literally think a demon creature is controlling you.

It starts with the Greeks.

Daemon is an intermediate spirit, between gods and men, a messenger.

For if humans looked directly upon the gods they would go mad.

Daemons brought great gifts to some.

All of art, writing, epic potry, music, building, sculpture, mathematics, was credited to them.

The Muses are Deamons.

When a man was with his Deamon, he ignored the world around him, focused intently on one thing, often went long periods without food, drink, sleep, ignored family and friends, and was antisocial, becoming very irriated with any who interrupted him.

It was called Deamonic Obsession.

If left alone, with perhaps some food and drink left near, he would return to the world, his old self, with plans for a building, a play, epic poetry, songs, music, that seemed a perfection above that done by mear mortals. Some, like sculpture, could take years to run its course, but the stone became alive.

The Greeks honored the Gods, and the Deamons they sent, and thanked them for the gifts.

The measure of it was a shepard boy with a natural understanding of mathematics, who was never taught. Smal childern who understood subjects as well or better than the best teachers. They were gifted by the gods.

They seem to have all of the charistics of Aspies.

Deamons were reconized by their gifts.

There were other spirits. Some accounted for the attractions between humans, for it is a mixed lot, there is no accounting for taste. Cupid's arrow hits where it will.

Some were more animal, but affected humans, open sexuallity, Pansexual, the stampeding fear that strikes a herd, suddenly and without warning, Panic. Pan got around. Pan was half man, half goat, and played the Pan Pipes, he lured people to him with sweet music, then his sexual nature took over, and would often lead to inducing Panic, a freezeing fear, as he had them sexually and then ate them. He was a Satyr, full of earthly lusts uncontrolled. It explained the remains of shepard boys found often.

Woods and waters had local spirits, some lured humans to their death.

There was the Minor Demonia. Some were good and protected the hearth, others caused trouble between neighbors, played people against each other, or made them greedy, gluttons, vain, angry, a whole list.
They found a human weakness, and played it.

Others were not at all good, for someone would get up in the night and kill all of their family. They would still be there in the morning. They often seemed very reasonable people. Reasonable people leave. They stayed and said they were told they had to, they did not want to, but they could not resist the voice in their head. They said what they did was wrong and they should be killed for it, very reasonable.

We had one in New Orleans recently, good kid, never any problem, went home with his best friend, his second family of years. Killed his friend, six of the family, and stayed for ten days having sex with the bodies, he was very glad when the police arrived. He said he could not stop or leave.

Jesus cast out devils, D'Evil, from Satan, Shi'tan, the evil of the desert that eats men. Evil spirits were his work, and they can be cast out. There is a missconception, one does not have to belong to a religion to pray to the Creator of the Universe, all prayers accpted, no waiting. There are good spirits of power. Prayer is heard and answered.

Christian church went overboard, everything was evil, except what they said, and millions were burned at the stake, many sounded like Aspies. They never exterminated evil, just became it.

Allah has rule over all men and Jinn. We are but Jinn with bodies. Men and Jinn come in good and bad. Being good is a personal choice. Do not associate with those destined for the lake of fire, do not do evil, have evil friends, or profit from evil. They will tempt you with cunning words, they will try to make evil sound good, be deaf to their words. Reading the Koran will protect you from evil, and if you pay attention, there is being better at being good. Evil people also read the Koran, ask Allah, good is the path.

Those who will tell you there are no spirits, no deamons, also deny God. They say there is no good and evil. They say many things, for Shi'tan is the Father of lies.

Chose good and the path protected, or evil and the path to the lake of fire, it is your choice.

[/quote] You're not talking about me, are you? [/quote]

Icarus, we were in fact gossiping about you. Not to induce paranoia or anything.....just receiving messages about you broadcast via our head channeled through the KGB. I'm sure you understand. Nothing personal, I assure you. Sometimes I see dead people too.

Juggernaut: I thought what you expressed was compelling. I do not, for an instant, question or assign judgment to your remarkable phenomena. Whatever works! And, it worked for you - that's all that counts. Religious experiences (if that is indeed what happened or your perception) are intimate and therefore are 'exempt' from assessment or critique by another.

I have a deep mind and I respect others accordingly. I would not marginalize anyone's religous revelation.

Now, as to snake handling, that's another story Snake says: "HUMAN! PUT ME DOWN THIS INSTANT - UNDERSTAND? I DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING TOSSED ABOUT YOUR CHURCH IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. KNOCK IT OFF AND STICK TO THE ORGAN MUSIC. THANK YOU, THAT'S BETTER."

I concur with Daniel, personally. Demons are a biochemical imbalance. Further, there is a distinct part of the brain which has been identified as 'mentalizing' religious experiences. Those who are, say, devout cloistered Catholic nuns, for example, show MRIs indicating significantly increased neural activity to this part of their brain. But, as Daniel stated already, which came first, the religous experience itself (inducing the heightened brain activity in this particular region), or did the activated brain site trigger that religous experience? Unknown. Nevertheles, still a real phenomena, regardless of one's subjective opinion.

Unless the theologian in question is attempting to miraculously grow back a missing limb on a parishoner (pass the tray $$$$). Again, that's another story.
Icarus the demon might know the answer to this one.....unfortunately, that demon only speaks in tongues. Darn it.


Ooo, Icarus, 'they're' talking about you again....I'm not telling what they're saying either. That's between the demons and myself. We talk. heh heh.

Ok I'm a christian so I thought I would throw two cents in about my experience

I have Aspergers and I view it a lot as people view spiritual gifts because it allows me to see the world from a different perspective. I think sometimes Satan will slip a lie to me or half truth about Aspergers or sometimes use the Aspergers for his advantage.

Not every thought that enters into your head is your own, that is how the supernatural world accomplishes things.

How do you know which ones are your own? You don't really know. scary huh? that's why people adopt creeds or belief systems, that way, any thoughts that contravene the basic creed can be rejected.