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northern_light_girl
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07 May 2008, 8:48 am

weather1man wrote:

Thanks for the advice and help, it really made me feel much better. I'm ok, now, thankfully. Thanks to the posts here and at AFF, I feel much better. I felt quite scared when I made this post though.

Glad to hear that you're feeling better, weather1man! Take care! Looking forward to talking to you some more and reading your posts here on this forum, hopefully in happier contexts

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07 May 2008, 11:00 am

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weather1man wrote:

Thanks for the advice and help, it really made me feel much better. I'm ok, now, thankfully. Thanks to the posts here and at AFF, I feel much better. I felt quite scared when I made this post though.

Glad to hear that you're feeling better, weather1man! Take care! Looking forward to talking to you some more and reading your posts here on this forum, hopefully in happier contexts

Same to you! You had a good post in my thread in love and dating as well.

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07 May 2008, 3:31 pm

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There is. As far as I understand life on Earth was not meant to be HEAVENLY and sorrowless. We all go through trials and tribulations and the thing that has been my Rock has been God. When I was desperate about a health situation with a family member, I accidentaly discovered a brochure that said "Let go and let God." In that situation those were POWERFUL words and suddenly had a clear meaning. When you're powerless and feel there's no control, that's where God comes in. Sit tight, pray and wait. The doctors when they see us...they tell us to thank God for what has happened so far. The DOCTORS do that! Do not tell us there is no God. ***Also yes, the world has created itself:) Big Ben is a point in time, no one was able to describe what has happened..before. Nothing in science, as far as I am concerned contradictis faith. To me, science basically "discovers" and explains the mechanics of the world. How it works. No contradictions. And if you didn't know, Newton was a religious man. He didn't see his physics passion as contradicting his faith. Einstein himself although not a believer did think that there had to be Something behind all the order and laws that govern the universe. It's a logical deduction if you want. I am sorry sorry sorry you feel there is no God. I am telling you there is (not the old man with gray beard -that's a physical description...but the Intelligent Creator God/Jesus/Holy Spirit).

I wish you all the best! Please don't be mad at me, it's how I think.

I'm not mad at all, my belief is based on reason, not faith. I'm always willing to consider another opinion. Letting go is indeed a powerful bit of psychological advice, one that does not depend on the actual existence of a God. There is no statistical positive difference between people that pray to get better (or are prayed-for), and those that aren't. If science uncovers naturalistic reasons for things, there is no need to postulate a supernatural cause. Nothing supernatural has been shown to occur, no miracles, no ghosts or fairies either. Newton also believed in alot of strange things like alchemy and various occult ideas. I don't blame him, at the time believing in a creator was a reasonable assumption. That is no longer the case. The universe did indeed create itself. It arose spontaneously. It is roughly balanced between positive and negative energy, meaning it needed no energy to create, it came from nothing! Something is more stable than nothing. If there is nothing, it wouldn't last for long. Physics tells us that. The God of Judeo/Christian/Islamic theology can be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt, but I won't do so in this thread. It is possible to think of a God that cannot be disproven, but such a God would not be involved in our lives and is not worthy of worship.

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07 May 2008, 9:30 pm

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If I were talking of only 1 situation..you could call it concidence, wishful thinking, statistically insignificant etc. But it's a lot more than that. It's complex. For such a navigation through a labyrinth...I'd have to be mad not to be thankful. Trust me when I say that I was NOT raised to..believe. I didn't even think about that for some significant time. I wasn't in a religious household, wasn't exposed to religion in school etc.. But there's such precise, pristine LOGIC in the NT that it just seems in sync with REASON. __

Now a COMPLETELY separate approach...."The universe created itself. It arose spontaneously." Why? Not how. For what purpose? Do you mean to say the purpose was "If there's nothing, it wouldn't last for long." That's not a PURPOSE. The "nothingness" wouldn't have CARED about stability etc...nothingness isn't an entity that reasons, is it? Who would then have cared if stuff didn't last for long? Who would have cared about achieving stability? Why such care for something to last for a while? Again, that concern for stability ("something is more stable than nothing") implies that this was somehow THOUGHT about and layed out before it actually happened. Like a...natural law that was now being APPLIED. Not sure I can explain what I mean...

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07 May 2008, 11:11 pm

Hey weather1man, glad you're doing better.

Sometimes things get really rough.

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08 May 2008, 7:11 pm

I remember being there. I was so depressed, I could barely leave my room - I was actually losing weight because I just couldn't make myself work through my fear and apathy to even get food. I was a horrible burden to my family, life was simply never going to get better. Sure they'd be sad, but I was worthless. In the end they'd be glad to get rid of a parasite like me.

Then, one day, I have no idea why, something just snapped. Screw duty, screw my family, screw the stupid school, screw everything! I don't care if I'm stupid, I don't care if I worthless, I don't want to f**king die! Maybe I don't want to live right now, but I also don't want to die! I'm going to be as selfish, as whiny, as horrible as I need to in order to change things so I do want to live! Screw everything, I DON'T WANT TO DIE!

I told my family everything, and I dropped out of university. It was scary as hell, but I was so angry and in so much pain that I didn't know what else I could do. The really messed up thing? Everyone who mattered in my family was okay with it. They accepted me at my worst, and still loved me. It was so f**king messed up.

I don't know about the power of positive thinking, but ever since then things have gotten so much better. It has hugely sucked at times, and sometimes I have slipped back into that horrible place. But less and less as time goes on. I've even gotten back into post-secondary, college this time, and I've just completed the first year of my program with flying colors, and I've just gotten my dream job for the summer. And 'I don't want to die' has somehow morphed into 'Life will be awesome, or else'. And it has, and it seems to be getting better all the time.

I know I've been very lucky - I don't know what I would have done if my family hadn't been so accepting. I'm really grateful for how things turned out, even if I'm still not sure exactly what I'm grateful to.

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09 May 2008, 11:24 am

i fealt the same about two weeks ago, but i f****d it up too bad

there are too many people in the world, good luck

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09 May 2008, 5:29 pm

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Not sure I can explain what I mean...

I suppose I am appreciative of the fact of my existence, but there's no one to thank. There was no purpose to the universe. It is composed of indifferent forces. The tendency towards stability is the result of blind mathematical probabilities. It doesn't imply any thought or foresight. Purpose is a human invention.

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11 May 2008, 12:11 am

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Not sure I can explain what I mean...

I dunno, it's quite possible to be grateful to something that doesn't nessicarily exist. If by consulting my imaginary friend, I am able to gain purpose and deal with adversity, then it makes perfect sense to be grateful to the delusion. It is effectively being grateful to the part of myself that was able to pull off the illusion, and so comfort the whole.

If believing in a god or similar being leads me to greater serenity, does it truely matter if the belief is true or not? So long as I do not cripple my reason with silly thoughts like hellfire or sexism, then the belief in a force greater then myself seem relatively benign. And, it cannot be proven that there truly is no such being, though I agree that facts suggest that there is not.

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11 May 2008, 10:23 pm

Can you guys please stop the religious debate in my thread? Go start another thread for that please. Thanks again for the help everyone.

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11 May 2008, 10:27 pm

I sorry :oops:

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11 May 2008, 10:30 pm

weather1man wrote:

Can you guys please stop the religious debate in my thread? Go start another thread for that please. Thanks again for the help everyone.

GOOD ONE! Weather1man! :thumright:

Glad to hear you sticking up for your thread... it shouldn't be hijacked for a topic that those folks can find elsewhere on WP.

I'm also glad to hear you are feeling better.
We've had a few folks around here getting pretty down lately.

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14 May 2008, 3:35 am

nontrivial wrote:

One thing I've noticed as an Aspie is that AS makes it difficult for me to harness the power of positive thinking. The people who tell you to "think what you want" are buying into the notion that the beliefs we have tend to shape our experience; positive beliefs tend to beget positive experiences. For me it's always been the other way around: any positive belief I have must be backed up by positive experiences that justify that belief. If I don't have any evidence or experience to back up my beliefs, I usually falter in those beliefs. That's why I tend to have low self-esteem - I need constant positive feedback to prop up my self-image. Maybe other Aspies have similar experiences; I'd be interested in knowing whether this is the case.

You articulated something I've been struggling with... thank you. I am fortunate to have those treasured few who have accepted me as the somewhat raggedy eccentric that I am, but frequently encounter this barrier where I have been unable to explain why their ploys and suggestions were ineffective in a manner they understood. I think this will help.

M.

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20 May 2008, 10:19 pm

if u think ur life doesnt matter anyone else, remember, it does to u. u care bout wat u do and how u live. U U U U U! remember: it matters to u.

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20 May 2008, 11:32 pm

weather1man, it helps to get it out, by saying how your feeling, it means your reaching out, it doesn't
always mean you actally want to die, people who are going to do it never say a thing. There is always
people here on WP who have gone though alot of pain and suffering, and they are willing to listen and
try to help you.

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23 May 2008, 4:47 am

spudnik wrote:

Hey that's really nice Spudnik.
I do like that! :thumright:

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