My counselour says I'm delusional b/c I'm Muslim

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21 Apr 2009, 3:07 pm

anybody can take 15 hours of class to become a conselour, if you are in need of counsel i'd be getting it from one who was a doctor specializing in councel. i forgot what they were called but im sure they exist



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21 Apr 2009, 4:09 pm

Psychiatrists refused to even tell me what my 'delusions' were. I bet they were intimidated by my willingness to argue the point.


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22 Apr 2009, 4:37 am

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My counselor says most Muslims are wannabe terrorists


I'd tell your counselor to take a hike.


That would be a very good idea.


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23 Apr 2009, 2:42 pm

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I will definitely consider changing my counsellor, the only problem is despite her bigotry she has helped me out a lot.


If her personal belief about Muslims doesn't interfere with other areas of your counselling and she's helping you out in general I'd stick with her a while longer.

My old councillor made some far fetched accusations from time to time, they were sexist, ageist and total bigotry. After a while I found a new one. Looking back that completely backwards therapist helped me the most because by somehow contemplating those crazy assertions I allowed myself to discover more about my own path. I wish I would have stayed with them longer, they could never convince me to follow their path but they were wise in their own way, and I often wonder whether I could have learnt more.

Follow your path but don't shut out others.

No matter the permutations I have the gut feeling the path I'm on would be the same besides the minor details, different branches are still part of the same tree. There are many trees in the forest but we all feed from the same source.

However, If your counsellor forcefully limits your path and takes a closed approach to your councelling:

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23 Apr 2009, 5:13 pm

That is why I only do DBT therapoy. It centers on how to manage feeligns and emotions and thojghts and not events.



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24 Apr 2009, 7:19 am

She may have a point, if you actually hear "God" talking to you. Where did you find her, Is she a church psychiatrist or something?

Also.. why do you want to be part of a religion, what do you think it will do for you?



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24 Apr 2009, 4:01 pm

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She may have a point, if you actually hear "God" talking to you.


No I don't hear "god talking to me." I haven't had delusions in a long time, overall I've been getting better as time goes on. There is nothing wrong with religion. I assume since your name "J Smith" your the average white male who would never even think for a second that Islam is a valid religion.


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24 Apr 2009, 4:14 pm

Well if she put them in those exact words or made you feel like crap or whateverish then I'd get another counselor.

Problem solved.


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24 Apr 2009, 8:43 pm

I don't like any religion. I think they are backwards and not compatible with this century, the abrahamic ones at least, and Islamic countries have terrible human rights records.

Master_Shake wrote:
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She may have a point, if you actually hear "God" talking to you.


I assume since your name "J Smith" your the average white male who would never even think for a second that Islam is a valid religion.


Also, it's funny that this thread is about your counselor making a stupid generalization, when you did the exact same thing.



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27 Apr 2009, 11:34 am

I saw a psychologist once who equated all Republicans to being delusional people. There's no requirement anywhere to believe anything a Republican (or Democrat, Libertarian, Federalist, etc.) says, but to think they're delusional, as a supposedly educated mental health professional? :?



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13 Nov 2009, 2:30 am

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I would also advise caution with converting to a religion. This is for any religion but especially ones that do not take kindly to "unconverting".

The problem is that when you join a religion you will soon enough find that it is NOT the basic theoretical religion you are joining but the actual group of people involved and in my experience the actual experience will not be what the religion theoretically teaches.

A religion is primarily a social construct and that means that converting to a religion is not so much about adhering to a specific ideaology but identifying with and joining a particular social group.

In the end, make your decision on your social group identity. If you really fit with them, then that is that and you might just want to take the consequence and difficulties that go with being part of the group.

In any case, I follow a mystical path so my interaction with the Illimitable Inconceivable One is not via religous intermediaries so I am very loathe to allign myself with these. Your path may be different and you may require such a vehicle in which case it is of course your decision. In any case, certainly in the way you present what has happened the councelor is out of line.


I have to disagree here... I converted and I did not do so to join a social group, nor did I join a social group. I'm not saying they don't exist and some people probably join a religion for that reason, but they are not what the pure religion is about, people who claim adherence to a religion are different than the teachings themselves. For me it is very personal between me and God, and following the instructions given us by God, it is not about other people and what they do or how well they follow it. Islam does not set up religious intermediaries, it is just between you and God and there is no intercessor between you.

After all is said and done the "logic" the counselor is using is illogical and based on a flawed assumption in the first place, I would find a new counselor.



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13 Nov 2009, 2:59 am

Jsmitheh wrote:
Also, it's funny that this thread is about your counselor making a stupid generalization, when you did the exact same thing.


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13 Nov 2009, 4:18 am

While I have various thoughts & beleifs, I refuse to be restricted, and that is what all religion is, a restriction. 99.9% of all religion's main focus is on what happens to us after we die, devout people spend lifetimes trying to 'get into heaven' and not enough time living the only life we can prove we have.

However I have nothing against anyone for following any religion. I do have my reservations about Islam, not as a religion, but it does support things like the segregation of men & women, things which do not belong in the modern world. There are many interpretations of it too, most muslims are very kind, peaceful people, but that handful who give them bad press interpret the religion differently. They beleive their ticket to 'paradise' lies in killing Americans & other westeners.

I have seen the horror inflicted by those with warped minds, those who are delusional and follow an extreme form of Islam. So long as you're following the religion from a peaceful aspect, then I don't see this counsellor's problem, and find her attitude quite frankly, racist & discriminatory. You cannot lump all Muslims in Bin Laden's pile, that would be like lumping all Americans with Charles Manson.

They are undercurrents in all religions who have their own way of interpreting the religion. There was a story not so long ago about a man with Asperger's who was roped in my Islamic extremists to carry out a bombing, and take the fall for it. Because of his AS, he as much easier to brainwash, and more willing to carry out the attack because they got him to beleive it was 'the right thing to do'. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/asperger ... iley-hears

That story doesn't really make much sense to me though, if he had a mental age of 10 at age 22, then I'm not so sure he had AS. Also I think a person with a mental age of 10 would have a hard job 'converting' to any religion, but then again, he'll take the fall for it of course. His physical age will be all that is considered in sentencing him.



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13 Nov 2009, 9:55 am

kip wrote:
Muslim extremists


The pc term is "devout muslims".



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13 Nov 2009, 11:14 am

I have had problems with psychologists treating me... how shall I say... like I was crazy, once they found out I am a pagan. I try to keep religion out of conversation now, even though it bothers me and makes me feel as though I am lying. Sadly, we live in a world where people see red flags rising when you do not fall directly in line with the norm.

I tend to agree with those who say that if this person is helping you, stick it out with them. Just try to get off the religion topic asap. If you deem it necessary to speak of beliefs in your sessions, perhaps you could find a psychologist who shares your religious beliefs. I do not know where you are in Mi, but where I am, there are plenty of Muslims... I cannot imagine that it would be that difficult to find one who is a psychologist.


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13 Nov 2009, 11:29 am

Well, I'm a devout Christian, and obviously I have disgreements with Islam, well, obviously, since I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But even though I disagree with Islam, I find myself just gobsmacked... I can't believe your counsellor could say all Muslims are wannabe terrorists - that is completely out of order. Seriously, did he/she actually say that? I mean... is there any room for misunderstanding at all? (I can't think how, but I'm so amazed that I have to ask.)

If this ninny really does believe that, then my advice is simple, cut loose and run. You need another counsellor. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists (just as the majority of Christians don't bomb abortion clinics). This person is obviously delusional him or herself to come out with such rubbish. I have known many fine and lovely Muslims, and I'm offended to hear them slandered in such a horrible way.