Whats wrong with Suicide?

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Then why do anything? When you are dead, you can't reflect on your life.

My own view, is that societies attitude is selfish. I ask no-one to live for my sake, in spite of themselves. It'd kill me to see friends or family kill themselves, but I would respect their ownership over themselves.

Personally, I don't know if I'll kill myself. I'd put the probability about 20%, seeing how it's been on my mind for six years since depression f****d me up for life. I get by, but I have no thirst for life. I'm indifferent to it. I'd rather I was never born, so nothing unpleasant could ever happen to me. As for killing myself, I find peoples complete lack to get access to Absolute, Metaphysical knowledge incredibly disturbing, so I might take the "wait and see" approach.

The most wise thing I've heard on the topic of suicide is in the lyrics to The High Road by Broken Bells that go, It's too late to change your mind, you let loss be your guide.

I am trying to keep that in mind now, that that is what suicide is. You're cheating yourself of all the good there is to be had. (You = anyone considering it.) Why not be guided by opportunity and hope? It's hard though to do. Pain is hard to ignore. So huhmmm.

Another James Mercer lyric I just thought of "dirt in your fries". I can't even understand what he says before that but I feel like he definitely knows the impulse to throw out life when it gets slightly messed up. Can fries with dirt in them be enjoyed, I mean even if you do your best to get it off but it won't come off and you still taste it? Then again if life were absolutely perfect what would be left to live for? I'm probably just talking to myself, sorry.

dirty 'fries are still better than starvation.

"Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren’t lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live."

Well written self-observation. Now, when I think of suicide, I reflect to Pamela Ann, my niece, and the pain she left behind. Her mother was the most effected by her action of suicide. Even today, 2 years later, the ramifications of Pamela Ann's suicide is still injuring others. Pamela Joy, her mother still cries for the loss; still feels guilty and relies on medication to ease her pain. In my own mind, I have images of Butch cleaning the blood stained mattress that Pamela Ann decided to take her life on, and it confuses me as to why she could do that to her father. I have memories of her laughter and conversations with her that make it difficult for me to still apprehend that she is dead. I still have the urgencies to call her, and have to remind myself that she is no longer reachable, even though I touched her cold, gray flesh as she laid in her casket! It will take years for all of us to overcome the fact that she is no longer among us, and that she chose to do so.

Ryan93, please explain that comment, I am totally confused by it.

Any inquiry in to truth takes certain things for granted, which are absolutely not true by definition. For example, we assume that physical laws will remain the same throughout time, in all places. There is no basis to this reasoning - X is true today does not necessarily imply X is true tomorrow. It's called the problem of induction. Then we have the fact that pure maths does not even have sound metaphysical foundations, a la Godels incompleteness theorem (no formal system, like logic, can prove it's own validity).

Then there is the possibility that our perceptions are illusions, that what we observe doesn't match up to the actual nature of existence. You might say that's unlikely, but how would you know. There is no evidence you could gather to prove that evidence is valid.

Where that comes into suicide, is the fact that I cannot make an informed decision on killing myself or not, because I do not feel that there sufficient certainty in my knowledge to take any drastic action, at least not yet. Normal stuff, like going to college or not, or picking jeans, is very insignificant to me. I approach life for the most part with indifference, and death with a lot of thought.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Its an odd combination of religious guilt with what Venger likely said (failing leaves you far worse off). I also might add, albeit cynical, that its one less person to labor for the economy or the world around them.

As for the notion of its not a break - once you die you stop percieving - that stops being a problem for certain people in certain situations. If every morning is like like end of Hellraiser Inferno where the crooked detective keeps waking up to face the damage that he's done, or when there's no amount of alcohol that can stop the howling tempest in your own head and with no hope for the future aside from becoming a black hole of even greater size and density than what you already are; not existing can be a very attractive alternative.

I attempted suicide in the past. It really isn't worth it. Life can be quite painful(I'll be making a topic here in a little bit myself), but the pain that you cause your relatives and friends who have to live with it is likely worse. And that's not to say it's selfish, just that it's a bad idea.

No it is not. Im beginning to hate this term as much as I hate people that misuse automotive terminology.

MXH, please explain. Do you mean that you hate the phrase Noob used? I'd love an example of the painful misuse of automotive terminology but I don't need one if...it's too painful to remember.

Lol... you're Van Allen belt is about to snap, if it does you're engine will punch through the hood of the car, fall in your lap and kill you. We can put a new Van Allen belt on for $3,000.00?

And this is the kicker: people who honestly think about killing themselves DO NOT perceive their problems to just be temporary. You don't see people hanging themselves over a flu or jumping off a bridge because their car is in a shop for repair. If someone is so overwhelmed with problems that they think about taking their own life over it, it's because they do not see an end in sight and they see no way they can solve that problem. If you're trying to convince someone to step away from the cliff edge, one liners like that won't cut it. They need to see some sort of relief from their problems, and they need to see it NOW.

It's a very efficient escape from life's problems, sure (I don't believe in an afterlife), but it leaves no room for improvement. And you almost always will leave someone who will miss you.

It seems like people won't try to save you until you're right on the edge.

My view is that suicidal people are discontented with life, not with living ( and yes there's a famous quote somewhere).

It would seem that change would be a good thing to try first.

You're right. Not to be irreverent in such a serious thread but maybe an induced coma could be a used to help the patient confront the realities surrounding a permanent shutdown. With consent of course and yes, I know that sounds like 'insulin shock therapy'. Just thinking out loud.