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18 Feb 2016, 12:40 am

Intellectual curiosity looks more and more like a luxury to me. You can't really afford it if you're born in poverty, having to work since your childhood and to physically fight all the time to earn the respect of others. Any time spent on any intellectual pursuit would be your doom.


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18 Feb 2016, 12:49 am

I guess it would depend on the country and society one is raised in. Here, there are opportunities for those born into poverty.

One side of my family came from relative poverty, and that parent is self-made.

The other side did originally come from poverty a couple of generations back, and a business was built that was passed onto ungrateful, entitled children who are now quite snobbish.

I was handed nothing, and have nothing, even though my parents had money when I was a kid. I didn't even know that we were well-off, because the poor kids had more toys and things than I did, and got to go on vacations, and take classes. I was far from spoiled.



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18 Feb 2016, 5:18 am

I didn't have much of that stuff, either, but I'm horribly spoiled anyway because I stayed a lot of years at my parents' home without working, and have never been in an environment where I'd really have to fight for survival. Now it's probably far too late to ever become a respectable person, and, as soon as I find myself in the wild, I'm screwed. And rightly so.

Each day, no matter how boring or depressing, is a completely undeserved gift for me.


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18 Feb 2016, 5:55 am

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I would date someone who I felt matched what I look for in a personality first. I don't want to rely on a man for money. I wouldn't mind one bit being the breadwinner in the relationship, as long as the work put in was equal.

I would want someone intelligent, with a lot of intellectual curiosity, who is kind and compassionate, has healthy habits, enjoys physical activity, and doesn't have major mental health issues (like schizophrenia, or pedophilia). Also good sense of humor.

Money really doesn't play much part. I wouldn't be impressed by some rich guy just because he was rich.

I grew up with money. My family has money. I'm not impressed by it. It doesn't indicate that a person has better character. Those that I know that are wealthy are for the most part arrogant and entitled.


But how much kindness and compassion? What, in your opinion, is too much and too little kindness/compassion?



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18 Feb 2016, 7:23 am

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A woman who works min wage , lacks a car, rents a place with roommates is considered finically stable .
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A man in the same situation is considered not finically stable, worthless and a loser not worth talking to ?


There is something else going on here...

the two common phrases are 'financially stable'

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18 Feb 2016, 2:45 pm

syzygyish wrote:
sly279 wrote:
A woman who works min wage , lacks a car, rents a place with roommates is considered finically stable .
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A man in the same situation is considered not finically stable, worthless and a loser not worth talking to ?


There is something else going on here...

the two common phrases are 'financially stable'

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I'm not sure what you mean 0.o



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18 Feb 2016, 4:52 pm

It's just the old school gender norm that the man is the protector and provider and men are more likely to overlook money for women they are attracted to, simple as that. It wasn't that long ago that women stayed at home and were mainly homemakers but while that's changed, not everything else has.

It makes sense I guess, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her dating some bum so what can I expect? There may be some special women out there it's doesn't matter at all to but generally speaking I'd say it's probably the case.



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18 Feb 2016, 4:55 pm

"Special" in a particular way noöne wants their daughter to be.


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19 Feb 2016, 2:00 am

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It's just the old school gender norm that the man is the protector and provider and men are more likely to overlook money for women they are attracted to, simple as that. It wasn't that long ago that women stayed at home and were mainly homemakers but while that's changed, not everything else has.

It makes sense I guess, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her dating some bum so what can I expect? There may be some special women out there it's doesn't matter at all to but generally speaking I'd say it's probably the case.

Even if you and your daughter are bums? Why does she deserve more then she gives?



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19 Feb 2016, 2:41 am

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Yigeren wrote:
I would date someone who I felt matched what I look for in a personality first. I don't want to rely on a man for money. I wouldn't mind one bit being the breadwinner in the relationship, as long as the work put in was equal.

I would want someone intelligent, with a lot of intellectual curiosity, who is kind and compassionate, has healthy habits, enjoys physical activity, and doesn't have major mental health issues (like schizophrenia, or pedophilia). Also good sense of humor.

Money really doesn't play much part. I wouldn't be impressed by some rich guy just because he was rich.

I grew up with money. My family has money. I'm not impressed by it. It doesn't indicate that a person has better character. Those that I know that are wealthy are for the most part arrogant and entitled.


But how much kindness and compassion? What, in your opinion, is too much and too little kindness/compassion?


I guess about the same amount that I have is fine. Or more is ok. I have very high ethical standards for myself. I always try to do the right thing. Not from a religious standpoint, more from a philosophical standpoint. I actually find Buddhism as a philosophy to be very appealing. Not that I'm perfect or anything.

But I guess compassionate to me would mean wanting to make the world a better place, wanting to help others, thinking of and caring about the feelings of others, and not wanting to harm another person or creature unless absolutely necessary. But that doesn't mean being selfless. Only caring for others and neglecting oneself is just as bad as harming another. Because the self is also a conscious being with feelings and needs. So the idea is to take care of oneself, but not at the expense of others, and to try to help others if possible.

A person who is constantly sacrificing his or her happiness to make others happy is probably not compassionate in a healthy way, and I would regard that as too much compassion.



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19 Feb 2016, 2:45 am

Spiderpig wrote:
I didn't have much of that stuff, either, but I'm horribly spoiled anyway because I stayed a lot of years at my parents' home without working, and have never been in an environment where I'd really have to fight for survival. Now it's probably far too late to ever become a respectable person, and, as soon as I find myself in the wild, I'm screwed. And rightly so.

Each day, no matter how boring or depressing, is a completely undeserved gift for me.


I wouldn't call that spoiled. I do think that parents who overprotect their children, and do not make sure that they learn how to care for themselves are doing those children a disservice. I know of some like that who unfortunately struggled to learn how to care for themselves as a result.

I don't think it's too late for you.



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19 Feb 2016, 8:24 am

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I wouldn't call that spoiled. I do think that parents who overprotect their children, and do not make sure that they learn how to care for themselves are doing those children a disservice. I know of some like that who unfortunately struggled to learn how to care for themselves as a result.

I thought my parents were overprotective until I saw how parents of young adults act today. It's almost frightening how these kids are pretty much incapable of doing ANYTHING on their own. We hired a few summer students and they literally stood around until they were given orders, at one point for several hours because their supervisor wasn't around. They were nice enough but had no clue how to find work to do!



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19 Feb 2016, 8:51 am

These days, you'd be surprised how many people are lambasted because they are so presumptuous as to be LOOKING for work to do.

Other workers get paranoid about interns potentially taking over their jobs.

Perhaps, these young people are overprotective--but, perhaps, some of these young people were told to wait for instructions as to work-related things, owing to the sensitivities of long-term employees.



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19 Feb 2016, 9:37 am

Why do people who can't get a date blame everyone and everything except themselves?


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19 Feb 2016, 12:22 pm

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Why do people who can't get a date blame everyone and everything except themselves?

I don't know why you would say such a thing: if anything it is only recently that I stopped beating myself up and realized in most cases, it WAS someone else's fault. For example, my last failed relationship was with someone that was always cold and distant. I tried everything and assumed I screwed up like I always do, only to later find out she was practically in love with her best friend the whole time and they bought a house together. I should have known when she always seem to show up whenever I would visit. There was literally nothing else I could have done.

I couldn't get a date when I was younger because many of the women I knew were snobbish, arrogant and chased after abusive 'bad boys'. I'm glad they did because it saved them from ruining my life but the point is there literally was nothing I did wrong other than not be assertive enough. In hindsight I am glad it didn't work out but my point is I did nothing wrong!

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Perhaps, these young people are overprotective--but, perhaps, some of these young people were told to wait for instructions as to work-related things, owing to the sensitivities of long-term employees.

They knew full well what they were hired to do. It's not a case like it was with some Indian guy we hired to clean the floors who proceeded to ridicule me and tell me what a terrible job I was doing on his very first hour: they just needed to cut the f#^$ing grass! If it was raining, they needed to clean the floors. Not hard to figure out I would presume.



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19 Feb 2016, 1:40 pm

Fnord wrote:
Why do people who can't get a date blame everyone and everything except themselves?


So true. First spot and accept your mistakes, self-questioning is the first step before improvement,
and then possibly goal achievement.