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14 Jun 2016, 1:53 pm

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Christianity's holy book is the Bible, not just the New Testament. One can find justification for stoning gays to death in the Bible.

If they do not love Jesus, then yes. But that's not to say everyone would do that anyway. And most people don't.

People who love Jesus do not commit murder.

Those laws about stoning pepole were meant specifically for the nation of Israel that existed before and during the ministry of Christ.

But I don't really want to debate that here. It's not what this thread is for.

I don't care about your elaborate legalistic twisting, it's in the book. God said such things, and we can't be surprised if someone picks up on that and takes it seriously. Seriously, read your own book sometime.


Yeah I would suggest taking this to a new thread.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:20 pm

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I have been a Christian all my life, but I tend to take a rather philosophical approach to my faith, rather than focus on the judgmental aspect or the OT laws.


Should you renounce your beliefs based on the negative headlines caused by a minority?

No. If your religion is part of your identity and belonging to that group gives you hope in life, then it might be worth holding onto. Most religious and non religious people are just regular, maybe don't watch too much news for a while.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:31 pm

I can't even comprehend the concept of renouncing one's beliefs. Either you believe something, or you don't. If you say you don't believe something but actually you do (and vice versa) then you're just lying - to yourself and others.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:52 pm

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I can't even comprehend the concept of renouncing one's beliefs. Either you believe something, or you don't. If you say you don't believe something but actually you do (and vice versa) then you're just lying - to yourself and others.

You could still believe in God, but not think Orthodox Christianity is such a good idea.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:53 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
Yeah I would suggest taking this to a new thread.

Good reasons to renounce certain religions. Just saying.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:55 pm

AspE wrote:
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Yeah I would suggest taking this to a new thread.

Good reasons to renounce certain religions. Just saying.


That's fine, I only said it because I saw a back and forth developing.



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14 Jun 2016, 3:50 pm

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You could still believe in God, but not think Orthodox Christianity is such a good idea.


I understand that a person's beliefs can change. What I don't understand is "deciding" that you believe or don't believe something. It's like deciding that you love someone, or deciding to be sad. I just don't see belief as a decision.



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14 Jun 2016, 4:16 pm

AspE wrote:
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Christianity's holy book is the Bible, not just the New Testament. One can find justification for stoning gays to death in the Bible.

If they do not love Jesus, then yes. But that's not to say everyone would do that anyway. And most people don't.

People who love Jesus do not commit murder.

Those laws about stoning pepole were meant specifically for the nation of Israel that existed before and during the ministry of Christ.

But I don't really want to debate that here. It's not what this thread is for.

I don't care about your elaborate legalistic twisting, it's in the book. God said such things, and we can't be surprised if someone picks up on that and takes it seriously. Seriously, read your own book sometime.

I never denied what God said. And I never denied that someone COULD do as you said by misapplying the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel. And a few individuals unfortunately have.

And if you, "don't care" about the defense I made, then why respond. It seems you enjoy arguing and persecuting people. The very thing you condemn. I consider that a form of extremism in its own right.

But as you see, people don't want an argument about these things on this thread.


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14 Jun 2016, 4:25 pm

^Yup the haven is not the place for arguing.



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14 Jun 2016, 4:38 pm

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I can't even comprehend the concept of renouncing one's beliefs. Either you believe something, or you don't. If you say you don't believe something but actually you do (and vice versa) then you're just lying - to yourself and others.


Beat me to it.


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14 Jun 2016, 6:17 pm

It sounds like there isn't much chance of being a social pariah when most of the country is Christian. And what Christian would care? They love it when they are perceived as persecuted for their beliefs, even when they aren't.



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14 Jun 2016, 6:26 pm

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And what Christian would care? They love it when they are perceived as persecuted for their beliefs, even when they aren't.

In case anyone doesn't realize, AspE is trying to provoke people into more argument, because that's what he likes.

I advise that we not feed into it, and move onto conversation focused on the topic, without slipping in backhanded provocations.

Without wood a fire goes out; without a gossip a quarrel dies down.
Proverbs 26:20 NIV


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14 Jun 2016, 6:29 pm

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If you say you don't believe something but actually you do (and vice versa) then you're just lying - to yourself and others.

And to God.

God will reward those who suffer in his name.



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14 Jun 2016, 6:37 pm

Indeed:

“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matthew 5:11‭-‬12 NIV


If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
1 Peter 4:14 NIV

This promise is for you, Tex. :heart:


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14 Jun 2016, 6:47 pm

marcb0t wrote:
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And what Christian would care? They love it when they are perceived as persecuted for their beliefs, even when they aren't.

In case anyone doesn't realize, AspE is trying to provoke people into more argument, because that's what he likes.

I advise that we not feed into it, and move onto conversation focused on the topic, without slipping in backhanded provocations.

I'm not quarreling, it's a discussion. Sorry if this isn't a love fest.



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14 Jun 2016, 6:51 pm

AspE wrote:
marcb0t wrote:
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And what Christian would care? They love it when they are perceived as persecuted for their beliefs, even when they aren't.

In case anyone doesn't realize, AspE is trying to provoke people into more argument, because that's what he likes.

I advise that we not feed into it, and move onto conversation focused on the topic, without slipping in backhanded provocations.

I'm not quarreling, it's a discussion. Sorry if this isn't a love fest.


This isn't the place for that kind of discussion. You really should take it to PPR instead.