Whats wrong with Suicide?

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Then work towards a solution that provides a manageable state- that's all you can do, really (though, from personal experience and horror stories from others, I wouldn't recommend self-medication, really- my forms of it could have easily gotten me suspended from school, arrested, or even sent to a psych ward). This is an Asperger's/Autism forum, after all; it's not like the condition that brought most of us here is just going to up and go away anytime soon, leaving us as well-adjusted, happier, more social individuals.

Actually you DID attack people by calling suicidal people cowards. You are the coward to pass such judgement. Knowing someone who has committed suicide is not the same as living in their shoes. You, and others also accuse people who are suicidal of "not thinking straight". That alone displays that you are totally clueless.

These stigmas and moral judgements that society has against people who have a genuine and chronic case of depression add a completely unnecessary burden on top of everything else. I'm almost certain you wouldn't judge someone the same for a physical ailment. Depression after all is physiological. It can render one incapable of experiencing joy or any sense of meaning or fulfillment from life and in the case of people like me anti-depressents and other treatments have failed over the long term. The problem with depression is everyone "thinks" they know what it's like because they've been "depressed" at one or more points in their life due to situations. The point is not all depression is created the same. Situational depression can be dealt with and often heals itself with time but a chronic case can just go on and on and on, and often the constant tiredness, weariness, emptiness, lack of interest, lack of joy, etc... have no external cause. There is nothing you can simply "fix" when the problem is your own biology chemically attacking you. You are simple unable to experience the things you see others around you experiencing from day to day, and I don't give a damn who you are and what you think you're made of, after a while you are worn down and fail to see the point of going on.

Actually you DID attack people by calling suicidal people cowards. You are the coward to pass such judgement. Knowing someone who has committed suicide is not the same as living in their shoes. You, and others also accuse people who are suicidal of "not thinking straight". That alone displays that you are totally clueless.

These stigmas and moral judgements that society has against people who have a genuine and chronic case of depression add a completely unnecessary burden on top of everything else. I'm almost certain you wouldn't judge someone the same for a physical ailment. Depression after all is physiological. It can render one incapable of experiencing joy or any sense of meaning or fulfillment from life and in the case of people like me anti-depressents and other treatments have failed over the long term. The problem with depression is everyone "thinks" they know what it's like because they've been "depressed" at one or more points in their life due to situations. The point is not all depression is created the same. Situational depression can be dealt with and often heals itself with time but a chronic case can just go on and on and on, and often the constant tiredness, weariness, emptiness, lack of interest, lack of joy, etc... have no external cause. There is nothing you can simply "fix" when the problem is your own biology chemically attacking you. You are simple unable to experience the things you see others around you experiencing from day to day, and I don't give a damn who you are and what you think you're made of, after a while you are worn down and fail to see the point of going on.

Calling someone a coward for passing judgment is an attack as well if what he did was an attack.

Actually you DID attack people by calling suicidal people cowards.

I'm not calling suicidal people cowards, I'm calling the ones that go through with it and actually kill themselves cowards. I've got nothing against people with suicidal tendencies, but those who carry out the act successfully forever have that stigma associated with them afterward in my mind.

I know that statement is only going to stir up more trouble, but I'm putting it out there anyway.

Here is where you are wrong. To get the benefit of an "escape" you must be able to perceive it. If you are dead, you cannot perceive.

You cannot think "Gee, I'm glad that's over. I feel so free now."

How is it any better if one survives a suicide attempt, I mean not succeeding does not remove the intention

I'm not calling suicidal people cowards, I'm calling the ones that go through with it and actually kill themselves cowards. I've got nothing against people with suicidal tendencies, but those who carry out the act successfully forever have that stigma associated with them afterward in my mind.

I know that statement is only going to stir up more trouble, but I'm putting it out there anyway.

Surviving is proof that you shouldn't have tried in the first place. It's the whole 'gee, that was a really bad idea- I shouldn't do that again' thing. Generally, people learn from their mistakes; and if not, then there's also the definition of insanity.

What about those people who jumped from the twin towers on 9/11?

I don't know about that, I wish I could say I honestly think I never should have tried and that it was a bad idea and a mistake......but considering I am still just as mentally ill if not more then when I did attempt I am not so sure. I do my best to fight the suicidal urges but sometimes I have to wonder why i even bother.

Completely and totally different situation. Those were spur-of-the-moment, panic-induced choices, not long-running trauma induced ones. Most of those people probably had absolutely no intention of ending their lives that day, either intentionally or accidentally, up until seconds before they did.


Then, that's why I mentioned the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

[And what different result would I be expecting? death is death.....this is of course hypothetical, I am not actually planning suicide.

People plan suicide, and then back out at the last minute- it happens much more often than successful suicides. Rarely does backing out do anything to make someone more determined to kill themselves, either. They just can't take the emotions that come with the last moment. They stop and remember the hesitation- the fear, the disappointment, the frustration, the anger of what was to be their last minutes alive, and they realize they really don't want to experience that again, so they don't try again, at least not right away. You back out once, you're probably going to back out again; it's that simple. It's the whole 'I cannot self-terminate' thing in human psychology.