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06 Jun 2009, 2:27 pm

d we can't correct them?


Why do some people think they have the right to make untrue assumptionms about me based on incomplete evidence, and say bad things about me based on their assumptions, but they think I don't have the right to ask for an apology for making the assumptions and saying the bad things about me based on them? They say I'm being vindictive when I ask for an apology. This happened to me with 2 different people in 1 day.


I just want to die.



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06 Jun 2009, 4:11 pm

Maybe if you could tell us a little bit more about what actually happened? Then we might be able to respond better.

Sounds like your having a bad day...
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06 Jun 2009, 4:59 pm

It was vjust someone I'm morally obligated to not name assuming I hated my child because I didn't get out of bed to feed him or anything, when really it was because I was doped up to the eyeballs on a dose of Risperdal that I had been prescribed, that was making me unmotivated and unable to get up. That person even suggested that I get Abilify to make me more motivated. And I did, and it worked. But yet he doesn't think it was a medical thing but my fault. Or maybe he just didn't think it was the meds making me like that but that it was just me naturally or my natural medical condition.



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06 Jun 2009, 5:12 pm

Seems like if you explained the situation to him and he doesn't accept it, that is his problem. He's obviously concerned about the child, but that gives him no right to ignore your side. But we can't force apology.

I think things like this fundamentally come down to be unable to understand each other's minds. It's hard for him to see where you're coming from, and it's hard for you to see where he's coming from.

For guys, too, it can apparently be a blow to their 'manhood' to apologize. A matter of macho pride. Silly, but there you go. :roll:

I wouldn't judge all NTs by a few... they're really a pretty mixed bag... some will listen and understand and others just have no theory of mind... they can't get it.

Hang out with the ones who listen and do seem to get it, at least a little. And meet them halfway by trying to understand their point of view.



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06 Jun 2009, 5:13 pm

Seems like if you explained the situation to him and he doesn't accept it, that is his problem. He's obviously concerned about the child, but that gives him no right to ignore your side. But we can't force apology.

I think things like this fundamentally come down to being unable to understand each other's minds. It's hard for him to see where you're coming from, and it's hard for you to see where he's coming from.

For guys, too, it can apparently be a blow to their 'manhood' to apologize. A matter of macho pride. Silly, but there you go. :roll:

I wouldn't judge all NTs by a few... they're really a pretty mixed bag... some will listen and understand and others just have no theory of mind... they can't get it.

Hang out with the ones who listen and do seem to get it, at least a little. And meet them halfway by trying to understand their point of view.



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06 Jun 2009, 7:59 pm

i think that people derive confidence from having the capability of assuming what they think is correct without having to question it or think about it very much. it may not be productive to some people's capability to function to have to stop and consider ever aspect of what appears to be simple to them. though for the sakes of learning to be more civil, many people could probably use some lessons on being more self aware and sensative to the feelings of others.


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06 Jun 2009, 8:27 pm

Whenever there's a problem that's highly difficult and frustrating to someone they have to find someone or something to blame. It's never enough to just accept that the nature of life is cruel. I also grow weary of people not accepting me for the way I am, trying to change me, or claiming that I'm just "not trying hard enough" when they know damn well that there are real biological reasons for why I'm not the same as they are.



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06 Jun 2009, 9:28 pm

I think people who are spoiled might feel more freedom to be stupid. Just my two cents.


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07 Jun 2009, 11:31 am

You cannot force someone to have a different opinion; right or wrong, it is their own. Whether it is fact can be debated, but the expectation that others will conform to your will or point of view is not going to find much success in this world. That also means that you need not take their words as gospel, but only their perspective.


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08 Jun 2009, 10:39 am

Ana54 wrote:
d we can't correct them?


Why do some people think they have the right to make untrue assumptionms about me based on incomplete evidence, and say bad things about me based on their assumptions, but they think I don't have the right to ask for an apology for making the assumptions and saying the bad things about me based on them? They say I'm being vindictive when I ask for an apology. This happened to me with 2 different people in 1 day.


I just want to die.


STORY OF MY LIFE!! !
everyone around me thinks that they are right when it comes to my life because I have a disability and they do not. So they have this superiority complex and have the "she is disabled so she does not know what she has and/or what is right and we do" attitude. Ironically, I am right and they are wrong. This has messed me up so bad that I no longer trust anyone who is an "expert" in Asperger's and/or I can no longer trust anyone to care for me any more.



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08 Jun 2009, 11:04 am

Psygirl6 wrote:
Ana54 wrote:
d we can't correct them?


Why do some people think they have the right to make untrue assumptionms about me based on incomplete evidence, and say bad things about me based on their assumptions, but they think I don't have the right to ask for an apology for making the assumptions and saying the bad things about me based on them? They say I'm being vindictive when I ask for an apology. This happened to me with 2 different people in 1 day.


I just want to die.


STORY OF MY LIFE!! !
everyone around me thinks that they are right when it comes to my life because I have a disability and they do not. So they have this superiority complex and have the "she is disabled so she does not know what she has and/or what is right and we do" attitude. Ironically, I am right and they are wrong. This has messed me up so bad that I no longer trust anyone who is an "expert" in Asperger's and/or I can no longer trust anyone to care for me any more.
So perish forbid when you're old and sick and need someone to care for you! I promise I will always be nice and respectful to my children so that when they're looking after me (and they will want to because I respected them so much and treated their opinions like they counted and never treated them like they're incompetent even as children) they will treat me with respect and not treat me like a misbehaving ret*d 3-year-old when I'm 90 or 100 and thye're looking after me. And even ret*d misbehaving 3-year-olds-- especially ret*d misbehaing 3-year-olds and other people you need to take extra care with-- do not deserve to be treated in that strict, stern, scolding manner I'm talking about.



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09 Jun 2009, 8:30 am

Ana, I think we are in almost exactly the same position with acquaintances and therapists. And no, I don't think you're wrong. ;)

(Edit: I wrote that in response to PsyGirl6 by accident, but I think it applies to everyone who deals with people who get cocky over other people's diagnoses.)

My family has given me all this garbage that I'm delusional. They think I'm John Nash or something. They just don't seem to understand that I'm a philosophy student and that I have very deep concerns about the world. Same with psychiatrists: they have always seemed to me full of pompous egomaniacs who want their pills sold by flashing your 'diagnosis' in front of your face like a food advertisement.

I know you're smart. I don't want those peacocks and greedy salesmen of psychiatrists to get to you.


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