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30 Oct 2009, 10:42 am

Warning... I am likely going to sound a little crazy here, but it is only because I am a little crazy. I half joke. I am feeling disjointed today... sorry in advance if this is incoherent. I am trying to make my words make sense.

Yesterday I shut down. To not get into too many details, I had a series of things I had to deal with one after another with no down time and my sensory issues amplified the negative effects that these events had on me. Sometimes when I shut down, I go away into myself... I disassociate. I have done this for as long as I can remember. Sometimes I only go away for a few minutes, sometimes I lose hours. Sometimes I remain still, sitting or standing. Other times I drop. I have fallen into things and once I cracked a dash board with my head when I fell forward in my seat. I know when it is coming on. I know when I have reached my capacity for external intake. If I cannot get away fast enough, I will disassociate. But then there are the times when I just cannot recover from the events that happened earlier and will disassociate after the fact. This happened to me yesterday... I came home and left my body and I am still not feeling like I am in my body. I am concerned by this. It is typical for me to feel like I am sitting two inches back in my head (if that makes any sense...) but this is different. I feel like I am stuck in that half awake half asleep state and I hate it, this is not so typical, though I have felt this before on more than one occasion.

A week or two ago I flipped out and shut down. I made it up to my room and hid away before I lost myself in myself. When I came back around, I was sitting on my bed, rocking, my arms hugging my knees into myself...I had bruises on my arms from pulling myself in, my pillow was ripped apart and it was a few hours later. I do not remember ripping the pillow. It is not unheard of for me to rock or sway or hit my knees with my palm while I am 'gone', but I have never done anything like pillow destruction before. This bothers me. I have been under a lot of stress lately, and logic tells me that of course I would disassociate more frequently than normal because of the stress. It is not making me feel any better about it though, which only adds to the stress which then makes me feel like I am losing my grasp on reality more. It is a nasty cycle that I am in now. I keep poking my face and slapping my hands into my legs and knocking myself into things for some kind of reality check. I need that kind of knowledge that I am in this body because I do not really feel like I am. I am making progress though. This morning I could not form sentences, I was suddenly sobbing for no reason, could not focus enough to know what room I was in and I could certainly not have told you what room I was in had you asked. I found myself at one point this morning, sobbing uncontrollably out of nowhere. Then I just stopped and got a cup of coffee.

Does anyone else do this? If you do, have you ever done anything like kill a pillow without knowing you did it? Do you know when things are coming on? I 'feel' it, but I also see 'sparklies' and the 'static' in my head gets louder and it's like I feel it coming out of my whole body... I'll tunnel vision before I go away... If you have ever disassociated, what are your tells that it is coming on. Mine are usually stress induced, but on a few rare occasions, they have happened out of nowhere. Anyone have that either? It is such a weird thing... not a lot of people get this... I am usually ok with not feeling fully in my head... you get used to it... but I can't stand it when I feel like I have to fight to stay in my own head. I don't have multiple personalities (they ruled out dissociative identity disorder a few years ago) but sometimes I really wonder about that. I have very distinct moods/personalities that are very different from each other. Hell, I took to naming them a few years ago... But the thing that ruled that out for me is that I am very much aware of what I am doing when I am in each of those moods when I am no longer in that mood. Make sense?

Like, I have three me's... I have one I call Arienne. Arienne is the responsible me. When I am on Arienne mode I keep up with the house, tend to my garden, read and respond to emails, answer the phone when my friend calls, keep appointments I do not want to attend, register for classes and actually attend them. Arienne is the one who looks after the family and interacts with them. This is me mostly. This is what I try to be. This is how I want to be.

My next me would be Charlotte. Charlotte is my crazy b***h. Charlotte is also the one who will do what my Arienne side cannot do. If I am in a bad situation, my Charlotte mode sets in and leaves or handles the situation. This is aggressive me, hostile me, violent me, and the only side of me that can functionally handle change, disrupt or upset. Granted, it is not handling it productively, but my only other choice if the generator that is Charlotte does not turn on, the power goes out and stays out, so to speak.

Last I have Amelyth. Amelyth is like my big quiet. I feel the most real and least real as this mood than either of the other. Amelyth is my obsessions, my distractions, my ability to lay in the grass and stare at the sky for five hours without knowing time because I am so awestruck by the world I see and feel. I would love to be this way all of the time. I am calm this way. I am ok this way. The reality of my world will not this though. I am married and have kids. I cannot lay on the floor all day and feel the vibrations of my music. My family frowns upon this and I do not blame them. They need me. They do not want a nonperson type of person. As much as I want to, I cannot vanish into what fascinates me and simply observe the wonder that is the world in silence.

I say that to say when I am in Charlotte mode, I might suddenly realize that I am running across the street screaming at my neighbor, calling him everything but a white boy with full intention of beating him senseless, while he is running into his house and locking the doors. Yeah, I used to do stuff like that a lot... And while I do not know I am getting up or planning to try to attack someone, I do suddenly become aware of what I am doing and when I am no longer in Charlotte mode, I remember everything I did while I was like that when I finally get back to the Arienne self I try to be. The ended up dismissing that and calling me bipolar... a rapid cycler, to be specific, due to me suddenly flipping out for no seemingly rational reason. Now that autism has been brought into the picture, my sudden bursts of wacked out have been reevaluated. No one thought things like lights, sounds, disruption in routine was significant enough to set me off... now they think it is. So bipolar has been now disregarded.

I do not know what I am trying to go for here with this. Sorry for going on and on. In my own way, this is helping me keep in touch with a world outside my head and I really need that right now. I do plan to mention this to my therapist when I see her next. She and I have been focused on other things, and I need to address this as it is becoming a problem. So I will e doing that... But in the meantime, if anyone can relate to any of this, let me know, would you? I am curious to hear other people's thoughts on this, how they feel about it all, handle it, manage it... As I said earlier, I am curious about what it like for you, if you feel it coming, what triggers it... Anything. Anyway, if you made it though this mess, I thank you and appreciate it.


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30 Oct 2009, 10:49 am

If you can find a forum on PTSD, there will be a lot of people there with experience with dissociation and ideas on what to do with it.



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30 Oct 2009, 11:02 am

Mentally ill people will "de-compensate" (the correct psychiatric term) just as you describe here...and that's why mentally ill people need treatment.



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30 Oct 2009, 11:59 am

HH wrote:
If you can find a forum on PTSD, there will be a lot of people there with experience with dissociation and ideas on what to do with it.


I have looked in those forums before when the whole disassociation thing was brought to my attention by a previous therapist some years ago. Perhaps things have changed in that time, but I felt out of place there. For one, I do not have pstd. My childhood was weird and dysfunctional, but the people on those boards go through such horrific things... There is molestation, serious physical and mental abuse and I feel like a jerk coming in there with my issues that seem so insignificant in comparison. Also, they seemed to speak more of dissociative identity disorder and would talk of things like waking up three days later in a different city wearing a tuxedo and noticing they had a tattoo on their butt of a monkey holding a squeegie on one hand and a martini in the other. I just fade into myself a lot. Perhaps they have changed though. I will look into some. If anyone knows of any good ones, let me know...


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30 Oct 2009, 12:10 pm

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Mentally ill people will "de-compensate" (the correct psychiatric term) just as you describe here...and that's why mentally ill people need treatment.


I had not thought of myself as decompensating, and while I was at first annoyed by your statement, I have no right to be. You are right. That is what I am doing. I think this needs to be put on the top of the list of things I need to be addressing with myself... I also think I need to see if I can get an appt. with my therapist before my next one is scheduled. Even though I am feeling better with each hour, this is not something I should put off, I think. Anyway, thanks for you honest response. It is appreciated.


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30 Oct 2009, 1:42 pm

That is classic dissociation (not decompensation, that is something different). It sounds a lot like Depersonalization Disorder with maybe even hints of D.I.D. I have the same feelings very frequently; you're not alone in that.

I have an other self of sorts called Jack, who is a lot like your Charlotte in some ways.


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30 Oct 2009, 1:43 pm

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A week or two ago I flipped out and shut down. I made it up to my room and hid away before I lost myself in myself. When I came back around, I was sitting on my bed, rocking, my arms hugging my knees into myself...I had bruises on my arms from pulling myself in, my pillow was ripped apart and it was a few hours later. I do not remember ripping the pillow. It is not unheard of for me to rock or sway or hit my knees with my palm while I am 'gone', but I have never done anything like pillow destruction before. This bothers me. I have been under a lot of stress lately, and logic tells me that of course I would disassociate more frequently than normal because of the stress. It is not making me feel any better about it though, which only adds to the stress which then makes me feel like I am losing my grasp on reality more. It is a nasty cycle that I am in now. I keep poking my face and slapping my hands into my legs and knocking myself into things for some kind of reality check. I need that kind of knowledge that I am in this body because I do not really feel like I am. I am making progress though. This morning I could not form sentences, I was suddenly sobbing for no reason, could not focus enough to know what room I was in and I could certainly not have told you what room I was in had you asked. I found myself at one point this morning, sobbing uncontrollably out of nowhere. Then I just stopped and got a cup of coffee.


I´m posting a quotation from Gillberg about people with AS subject to stress. "The person affected may actually lose all sense of self, time or location, He/she may run about wildly, scream, throw him/herself on the floor or slam or even smash doors. I have seen men and women with Asperger syndrome break mirrors, run their arms through windows and I have heard about those who ran straight into a stream of traffic or out onto the motorway without seeming to see or hear anything. The stress that provokes these kinds of reactions may be perceived by other people as very mild , or even be something that they would have thought as very positive." (Gillberg)



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30 Oct 2009, 4:39 pm

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30 Oct 2009, 4:59 pm

Sorry about earlier post I guess I posted things I wasn´t sure about what they were and used terms very very incorrectly! Now I edited my earlier posts and that is what I actually meant.



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30 Oct 2009, 7:01 pm

dossa, it sounds like you have a fairly sophisticated set of adaptations you've built. If it helps any, I think that bodes well for your chances of building more adaptations and possibly better ones with the help of the right professionals. The innate ability is clearly there.



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30 Oct 2009, 8:03 pm

dossa wrote:
In my own way, this is helping me keep in touch with a world outside my head and I really need that right now ...
... if anyone can relate to any of this, let me know, would you?


Understood, and absolutely.

I do not have names for my three "manifestions" or "zones" or whatever they are, and I do not go as far out as you have mentioned. But, I definitely just rode right along with you there for the tour and got a quick "flash" when you mentioned "two inches back in my head"!

I think "stress" is an accurate term here, but I do not know its distinct role. Maybe stress causes the overload that produces the fracture, or maybe it is the overload that causes a stress crack. Either way, I simply *must* get up and walk away or leave work for the day or whatever else in order to go be your "Amelyth" for a while before Charlotte and I end up like Bonnie and Clyde.


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30 Oct 2009, 10:57 pm

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That is classic dissociation (not decompensation, that is something different). It sounds a lot like Depersonalization Disorder with maybe even hints of D.I.D. I have the same feelings very frequently; you're not alone in that.

I have an other self of sorts called Jack, who is a lot like your Charlotte in some ways.


I was understanding decompensation to mean a deterioration or time of worsening. I could very well be inaccurate in my understanding of this term... I am not quite on top of my game, so to speak...

It is good to hear that I am not alone in this. It weirds me out sometimes and mostly when I speak of this I end up thinking that I should have just kept my mouth shut about it all. Thank you for mentioning Jack. It is hard enough to find someone who can comprehend this, much less name a distinct part of their self. I do feel better in knowing it is not just a me thing. Normally I would have more to say on this... I would like to have more to say on this. I am just not there yet...


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A week or two ago I flipped out and shut down. I made it up to my room and hid away before I lost myself in myself. When I came back around, I was sitting on my bed, rocking, my arms hugging my knees into myself...I had bruises on my arms from pulling myself in, my pillow was ripped apart and it was a few hours later. I do not remember ripping the pillow. It is not unheard of for me to rock or sway or hit my knees with my palm while I am 'gone', but I have never done anything like pillow destruction before. This bothers me. I have been under a lot of stress lately, and logic tells me that of course I would disassociate more frequently than normal because of the stress. It is not making me feel any better about it though, which only adds to the stress which then makes me feel like I am losing my grasp on reality more. It is a nasty cycle that I am in now. I keep poking my face and slapping my hands into my legs and knocking myself into things for some kind of reality check. I need that kind of knowledge that I am in this body because I do not really feel like I am. I am making progress though. This morning I could not form sentences, I was suddenly sobbing for no reason, could not focus enough to know what room I was in and I could certainly not have told you what room I was in had you asked. I found myself at one point this morning, sobbing uncontrollably out of nowhere. Then I just stopped and got a cup of coffee.


I´m posting a quotation from Gillberg about people with AS subject to stress. "The person affected may actually lose all sense of self, time or location, He/she may run about wildly, scream, throw him/herself on the floor or slam or even smash doors. I have seen men and women with Asperger syndrome break mirrors, run their arms through windows and I have heard about those who ran straight into a stream of traffic or out onto the motorway without seeming to see or hear anything. The stress that provokes these kinds of reactions may be perceived by other people as very mild , or even be something that they would have thought as very positive." (Gillberg)


This is something I have been wondering about. My husband works with autistic children (not the focus of his job but still he works with them on a daily basis) who have on occasion done things like that... One time he chased a girl out of the building who was extremely stressed and heading for the road. It is difficult for me to put pieces together now. I have been diagnosed so many things and so many other things have been ignored or dismissed. I have no way of knowing what causes what within me. On the plus side, I do have a patient therapist who actually listens to me and knows a lot of autism, aspergers in particular. In time I hope to be able to figure out what is what so I can effectively cope with these things.

Thank you for posting this quote. While I have heard things like that said before, I think I have not fully understood. Seeing this now is helpful. I need to add this to my list of things to discuss when I go in to see my therapist...


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30 Oct 2009, 11:13 pm

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dossa, it sounds like you have a fairly sophisticated set of adaptations you've built. If it helps any, I think that bodes well for your chances of building more adaptations and possibly better ones with the help of the right professionals. The innate ability is clearly there.


Thank you for your encouraging words. They are more than appreciated today. Somewhere in my head, I know that I will get through this and be better off for it... but when you are stuck in the middle of it, it is hard to keep sight of that. Thank you.


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dossa wrote:
In my own way, this is helping me keep in touch with a world outside my head and I really need that right now ...
... if anyone can relate to any of this, let me know, would you?


Understood, and absolutely.

I do not have names for my three "manifestions" or "zones" or whatever they are, and I do not go as far out as you have mentioned. But, I definitely just rode right along with you there for the tour and got a quick "flash" when you mentioned "two inches back in my head"!

I think "stress" is an accurate term here, but I do not know its distinct role. Maybe stress causes the overload that produces the fracture, or maybe it is the overload that causes a stress crack. Either way, I simply *must* get up and walk away or leave work for the day or whatever else in order to go be your "Amelyth" for a while before Charlotte and I end up like Bonnie and Clyde.


It is so good to come here and see encouragement, things to add to the list, and not one, but two people who can get where I am coming from. Today has been so surreal... I really needed to see this.

I wonder about that myself... "Maybe stress causes the overload that produces the fracture, or maybe it is the overload that causes a stress crack." I like the way you phrase that. I just do not have a firm enough grasp of what I feel and process to be able to tell as of yet. I would like to know, but it all jumbles up into one mess of me where I cannot discern one from the other anyway.

Your Bonnie and Clyde speak made me laugh. On Charlotte mode I have been known to make mention of ducky tape and shotguns. Not that I would do it, mind you, but I know that whole feeling all to well. Sometimes you just have to go away or all hell is going to break loose.


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31 Oct 2009, 10:35 am

I've got a total of three different "personas" as well, I hate when I start losing my sense of self and time, it still scares me. I've always kind of "hid" two of them, and within the last couple of months I've been I guess you could say letting them out. I feel like "Sybil" sometimes, lol!


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