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04 Mar 2011, 1:19 pm

... and a normal reaction to a bad situation? I'm isolated and don't have alot of positive experiences in my past or coming up in my future. Isn't it normal to be depressed then?



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04 Mar 2011, 1:31 pm

It would be expected that you have a lower degree of aspiration, low self esteem and given your history of disappointments low expectations that others can help you both professionally and personally.

I believe that is usually what could be called common sense that the chances of such feelings existing in a person you describe are quite high and most probable.

Question is, what are you going to do about it? Self empowerment is the only true form of advocacy my friend. Only you have the means to change your situation not others.


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04 Mar 2011, 1:58 pm

There is a difference between genuine sadness and depression, and I think the line is drawn when you fully expect things to get worse for yourself. A depression is a circle, because it repeats again and again. Sadness is normal, and things change afterwards.



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04 Mar 2011, 2:23 pm

Laz wrote:
It would be expected that you have a lower degree of aspiration, low self esteem and given your history of disappointments low expectations that others can help you both professionally and personally.

I believe that is usually what could be called common sense that the chances of such feelings existing in a person you describe are quite high and most probable.

Question is, what are you going to do about it? Self empowerment is the only true form of advocacy my friend. Only you have the means to change your situation not others.


I cant imagine that i am able to do anything about it. The things i like doing are solitary things.



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04 Mar 2011, 2:39 pm

Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


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04 Mar 2011, 2:59 pm

Laz wrote:
Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


I did a few things that i hadnt done before between the ages of about 23 and 25. I was scared to get on a train and i did that. I'd never been clubbing before and i did that. Going out alone at night is soul destroying though and i would get home and feel suicidal or try to commit suicide. Being around people was no good for me and made me unwell.



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04 Mar 2011, 4:07 pm

jamieboy wrote:
Laz wrote:
Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


I did a few things that i hadnt done before between the ages of about 23 and 25. I was scared to get on a train and i did that. I'd never been clubbing before and i did that. Going out alone at night is soul destroying though and i would get home and feel suicidal or try to commit suicide. Being around people was no good for me and made me unwell.


Try taking some night classes or join some groups or something. You don't have to just go to bars alone or whatever.


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05 Mar 2011, 5:52 am

Moog wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Laz wrote:
Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


I did a few things that i hadnt done before between the ages of about 23 and 25. I was scared to get on a train and i did that. I'd never been clubbing before and i did that. Going out alone at night is soul destroying though and i would get home and feel suicidal or try to commit suicide. Being around people was no good for me and made me unwell.


Try taking some night classes or join some groups or something. You don't have to just go to bars alone or whatever.


lawn bowling, OAP friendship group or bingo?



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05 Mar 2011, 7:33 am

jamieboy wrote:
Moog wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Laz wrote:
Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


I did a few things that i hadnt done before between the ages of about 23 and 25. I was scared to get on a train and i did that. I'd never been clubbing before and i did that. Going out alone at night is soul destroying though and i would get home and feel suicidal or try to commit suicide. Being around people was no good for me and made me unwell.


Try taking some night classes or join some groups or something. You don't have to just go to bars alone or whatever.


lawn bowling, OAP friendship group or bingo?


Sure, if you think you'd get something out of it.

Or how about guitar making, amateur theatre, tai chi, a book club etc...


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05 Mar 2011, 9:55 am

Moog wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Moog wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Laz wrote:
Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


I did a few things that i hadnt done before between the ages of about 23 and 25. I was scared to get on a train and i did that. I'd never been clubbing before and i did that. Going out alone at night is soul destroying though and i would get home and feel suicidal or try to commit suicide. Being around people was no good for me and made me unwell.


Try taking some night classes or join some groups or something. You don't have to just go to bars alone or whatever.


lawn bowling, OAP friendship group or bingo?


Sure, if you think you'd get something out of it.

Or how about guitar making, amateur theatre, tai chi, a book club etc...


I'm just too socially anxious to meet a new group of NT's.



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05 Mar 2011, 10:15 am

jamieboy wrote:
Moog wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Moog wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Laz wrote:
Why are solitary pursuits your only avenue to resolve your situation? Think out of the box and be prepared to challenge yourself to do things you have never done before.

The rewards are there to grasp if you have the will to change. If not the be prepared for several years of sleepwalking through life until it dawns on you that times running out


I did a few things that i hadnt done before between the ages of about 23 and 25. I was scared to get on a train and i did that. I'd never been clubbing before and i did that. Going out alone at night is soul destroying though and i would get home and feel suicidal or try to commit suicide. Being around people was no good for me and made me unwell.


Try taking some night classes or join some groups or something. You don't have to just go to bars alone or whatever.


lawn bowling, OAP friendship group or bingo?


Sure, if you think you'd get something out of it.

Or how about guitar making, amateur theatre, tai chi, a book club etc...


I'm just too socially anxious to meet a new group of NT's.


Well, I guess that's the next thing to think about and address.

There's a lot of different strategies for anxiety, from medication to mindfulness exercises, meditation and relaxation techniques.

I would begin to investigate how you could mitigate that anxiety and/or learn to act despite it's presence.

I understand how you feel, I am terribly disinclined to socialise too, and I have been fully socialphobic in the past.


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05 Mar 2011, 10:22 am

In the right situation you would probably find it a lot easier. The problem here is you are putting up obstacles in your own mind before you've even gone out and done it. It's a pain in the arse and I do it myself as an aspie but you do have to learn to overcome those hesitations else you will just fall into the trap most people with social anxiety let themselves in for.

You went out clubbin and to bars on your own 8O Crickey no wonder you were depressed afterwards. The only time i've done that is when I was backpacking around on my own and I wanted to hang out somewhere in the evening.

I wouldn't do that around London. This city is horrid for meeting new people its a real struggle even if you are willing to put yourself out there people are very cold and insular. I've read stories of people taking up to 2 years to get settled down here. Its no suprise at all.

I used to live not too far from where you live Jamieboy and I can tell you the people around where you live are far more friendly and hospitable....well in yorkshire they are anyway :lol: . There is plenty of help and support out there if you feel social anxiety is more a barrier to you. I met an aspie recently in the London area who struggled for years with depression and social anxiety and they had learned and developed some great coping mechanisms that were an ideal strategy for them to manage.


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05 Mar 2011, 10:52 am

It's a good question. I can't put it in words but depression is more like a force for me, like gravity. In the past it could pervade all areas of my life, stop me doing anything. Whereas the other thing, the bad situation as you call it, I may have had runs of bad luck, been sad or melancholic whatever, but there was some kind of hope there, some reason to get up in the morning.