Well I am in an odd situation.
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I am not suicidal at the moment, but only because I am fighting it with everything I have left. I mean if I am to feel this empty for the rest of my life what's the point? I know there are people who care about me, and I do not want to hurt them...but its frusterating that there is no real relief for how I feel. Though I have no plans to act on anything at this point I do have thoughts about how I might end it..its annoying and clutters my mind when I would rather think about something more useful.
I tried talking about this with my counseler, but I could not seem to word it the right way....its just kind of freaking me out a bit, because I have it under enough control not to do anything at the moment. But if I keep feeling this way and don't do much about it I am afraid I might have a really bad day and be unable to fight the urge. But what do I do? I don't want to let it escalate and end up succeeding, attempting and then missing class due to involintary commitment and I don't want to start failing or missing class because of how I feel. I don't even know why my main concern is missing class, but I do know this concern is getting in the way of me deciding what I should do about these suicidal thoughts other then consantly fight them out of my head all the time.
Sorry to hear you are thinking of suicide. Please don't clutter your mind with this--you are worth a lot more than a few random negative thoughts. Seriously. Everybody reaches a point sometimes when they can't handle things alone. Lean on somebody. This is a very stressful time of the year for students. Find a family menber who will let you coast a little or take a few "personal days from stuff."
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Well thats the trouble I don't really even want to kill myself at this point but the emptiness is causing a lot of pain and I can't get the thoughts out of my head..which is why it freaks me out. I mean I feel like I might end up wanting to end it just to shut those thoughts up. But yeah I guess I just don't know who to talk to because I feel like no one will take me seriously and will say the wrong thing rather then actually helping plus I don't want to bother anyone else with my problems.
First of all you can always talk to us without being afraid to bother anyone. I can easily relate to everything you're saying. I feel like that from time to time. The one thing I've learnt is that everything changes and the way you feel at the moment will change too even though it might not seem that way at the moment. The feeling of emptiness and loneliness are the worst for me to battle. But even they subside with time. When it gets worse I try to distract myself with some changes in my life. For example now I started practicing yoga. I have no idea if it will help but at least I have something new to think about and distract myself with. I don't know if anything from my experience could help you but I do hope these bad feelings will subside soon and you'll feel better
Sweetleaf,
Pekkla and Keira gave good advice and I agree. I am sorry you are in such a bad state. I wonder if there are any peer advisors or regular advisors at your college who could find you some sort of support group. When I was in college I was assigned an older student mentor who also became my friend who really helped me.
Also maybe if you don't know how to word it to your counselor you could say it just like you said it here. It made perfect sense in my opinion anyway. If they still don't understand, maybe you could ask them if, since this is really important, they could bring in another counselor in the office and you could try to explain it to them with your regular counselor present. I know that sounds like a weird solution but the more people who hear your explanation the more likely it's gonna get understood.
Also I can't tell if your counselor is an academic advisor-type person or a therapist-type person, but if they're not a therapist maybe you could ask them about going to one?
In the meantime Keira's yoga suggestion sounds really good! That or anything else really diverting and relaxing that you can think of to do. Or maybe working on a project, maybe an art project or something involving cooking, will give you a feeling that there's something for you to work toward.
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Pekkla and Keira gave good advice and I agree. I am sorry you are in such a bad state. I wonder if there are any peer advisors or regular advisors at your college who could find you some sort of support group. When I was in college I was assigned an older student mentor who also became my friend who really helped me.
Also maybe if you don't know how to word it to your counselor you could say it just like you said it here. It made perfect sense in my opinion anyway. If they still don't understand, maybe you could ask them if, since this is really important, they could bring in another counselor in the office and you could try to explain it to them with your regular counselor present. I know that sounds like a weird solution but the more people who hear your explanation the more likely it's gonna get understood.
Also I can't tell if your counselor is an academic advisor-type person or a therapist-type person, but if they're not a therapist maybe you could ask them about going to one?
In the meantime Keira's yoga suggestion sounds really good! That or anything else really diverting and relaxing that you can think of to do. Or maybe working on a project, maybe an art project or something involving cooking, will give you a feeling that there's something for you to work toward.
well my counseler is a therapist, though I am thinking of quitting that pretty soon....because its just not helping. I have tried the distraction method and it worked for about five years. It just seems I am pretty much losing intrest in everything and unable to find anything else I can really enjoy. I mean there are still things I like......but I can't seem to even develop the feelings i normally associate with things I deeply enjoy anymore. Its rather hellish......but anyways posting on here helps a bit and other then that I suppose I just have to figure something out...
You shouldn't have to endure hellishness. I feel like a drug-pusher when I suggest this but I do cause I think it can really be lifesaving: have you seen a doctor or psychiatrist about taking antidepressants? They do not solve everything but they can improve things significantly.
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Well I tried a generic form of prozac before and it was horrible, made my anxiety worse and I got really paranoid....this built up until one day I got way over emotional and could hardly control myself. So yeah I ended up throwing the bottle away. So I am a bit afraid to try any other anti-depressants.....I do self medicate with cannabis(if only they would legalize medicinal marijuana for mental things in colorado) then I could just do that legally. But such is life...I am however trying to get on medicaid so I can afford to talk to a psychiatrist and see what they suggest and possibly try a different type of anti-depressant. I mean as much as cannabis helps I cannot ensure I always have a supply so I am willing to possibly try an anti-depressant.
I just don't want to lose control like I did with the generic prozac.
Hmm. Doesn't your college have some kind of health-care plan for all its students? Where you maybe have a certain number of visits free? That was you could talk to a general practitioner and they could prescribe you something maybe?
About Prozac, yeah, I did not react well to that either. Maybe if you are able to see a doctor you could specifically tell them that Prozac caused anxiety and maybe they know of another one that does not or they would prescribe anti-anxiety medicine in addition to an antidepressant.
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About Prozac, yeah, I did not react well to that either. Maybe if you are able to see a doctor you could specifically tell them that Prozac caused anxiety and maybe they know of another one that does not or they would prescribe anti-anxiety medicine in addition to an antidepressant.
I don't know of any healthcare plan for the college, if there is one it probably is to expensive for me. Also I need to talk to a psychiatrist or something because I don't even have any official diagnoses other then depression...so I don't think a general practitioner would do much good at this point. I mean maybe with my combination of problems some anti-depressants would be more dangerous then helpful.
Ah I see. Well I'm really sorry you're in this situation and I hope the Medicaid works out soon. I wish I had better advice.
Here is a reputable-looking not-too-long scientific editorial article about how to raise serotonin levels without drugs:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2077351/
Basically it names four ways:
1. Inducing positive thoughts patterns in oneself (this seems obvious, but it's saying that when test subjects were exposed to positive stimuli, it measurably raised their serotonin levels). SO I know this one might be hard but maybe if you try to expose yourself to more positive things (pleasant music/books/reading material/artwork) and avoid negative things whenever possible, that could help.
2. Exposure to bright light. It also mentions that serotonin is highest during the light part of the light-dark cycle (i.e. the day), so I guess this is why you (anyone) should try to sleep at night rather than keep odd hours.
3. Exercise (this is mentioned a lot I know and I know how hard it can be do to when you're depressed, but maybe you could get a jump rope or something kind of fun and use it. Not sure if you are living in a dorm or what but I don't think your roommates would find it too weird, and if they do, so what? You could also jump rope outside and ignore anyone who might be walking past - people see interesting stuff all the time)
4. Diet. I am not sure if this is saying it could make a significant change, but it says that things like milk and chickpeas contain high levels of tryptophan, which increases serotonin.
Anyway I am really sorry you are feeling bad and I hope the Medicaid works out soon so you can see a psychiatrist.
Well I tried a generic form of prozac before and it was horrible, made my anxiety worse and I got really paranoid....this built up until one day I got way over emotional and could hardly control myself. So yeah I ended up throwing the bottle away. So I am a bit afraid to try any other anti-depressants.....I do self medicate with cannabis(if only they would legalize medicinal marijuana for mental things in colorado) then I could just do that legally. But such is life...I am however trying to get on medicaid so I can afford to talk to a psychiatrist and see what they suggest and possibly try a different type of anti-depressant. I mean as much as cannabis helps I cannot ensure I always have a supply so I am willing to possibly try an anti-depressant.
I just don't want to lose control like I did with the generic prozac.
I know I have said this in 3 or 4 other threads and I hate to feel like a nag, but please a doctor and get on some meds. You really need them.
One thing to say to your doctor is that you had a bad experience with prozac so you would like to try another type of antidepressant. There are many different kinds. Also, the combination of canabis and prozac together may have been an issue. It is actually not unusual for the first med you are on to not work or be intolerable. You need to work up the courage and see a doctor of some kind. If you can't see a psychiatrist then maybe just any doctor. Often if you mention "depression" to any MD anywhere you can usually get a script.
Considering how long this has been going (I have read all of these posts and threads) this isn't going to go away tomorrow. I am very concerned that you are feeling this bad.
Please work up the courage you have to see whatever doctor you can. (I know you mentioned insurance issues etc. in other threads)
Please try a new med and post back here what your experience was.
I know it is a lot to ask someone to see a doctor and then try a new medication, but please try.
Then once your brain is working better you work on the other problems in life.
and yes I remember there is a lot of stuff going on besides "just" depression.
Yes, a general practitioner would be good: they can give you a script for meds and try to set up referrals for a psychiatrist
Please see one.
unlikely. You mention anxiety, PTSD. those can be treated also with antidepresents.
Well, for the record I have been taking you very seriously. I have been fighting mood disorders for the last 20 years of my life and I have read a lot about psych issues. That is why your posts concern me. If I thought you were a bother I would not spend all this time trying to reply to you.
Depression is pain and helplessness and hopelessness and yes it is normal to make that want to end. The problem for you it seems it that it has been long-lasting and severe. That emptiness is called anhedonia and with that is a lack of motivation to do anything. I have had this happen to me many times. With depression this severe, medication is the first step. And yes I know how hard that first step is when you just can't get motivated.
Good Luck and keep posting to WP
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Here is a reputable-looking not-too-long scientific editorial article about how to raise serotonin levels without drugs:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2077351/
Basically it names four ways:
1. Inducing positive thoughts patterns in oneself (this seems obvious, but it's saying that when test subjects were exposed to positive stimuli, it measurably raised their serotonin levels). SO I know this one might be hard but maybe if you try to expose yourself to more positive things (pleasant music/books/reading material/artwork) and avoid negative things whenever possible, that could help.
2. Exposure to bright light. It also mentions that serotonin is highest during the light part of the light-dark cycle (i.e. the day), so I guess this is why you (anyone) should try to sleep at night rather than keep odd hours.
3. Exercise (this is mentioned a lot I know and I know how hard it can be do to when you're depressed, but maybe you could get a jump rope or something kind of fun and use it. Not sure if you are living in a dorm or what but I don't think your roommates would find it too weird, and if they do, so what? You could also jump rope outside and ignore anyone who might be walking past - people see interesting stuff all the time)
4. Diet. I am not sure if this is saying it could make a significant change, but it says that things like milk and chickpeas contain high levels of tryptophan, which increases serotonin.
Anyway I am really sorry you are feeling bad and I hope the Medicaid works out soon so you can see a psychiatrist.
1. I do try to think positively quite a bit, but it only provides minimal and temporary mood lifts.....but yeah when it comes to music and movies what's pleasent for some is torture for me. Like I hate 'happy' music I like a lot of metal and bands like Pink Floyd.....but yeah it seems like sometimes depressing music actually has a positive effect. When I was younger I used to read a lot which helped me kind of escape but I stopped getting enjoyment out of reading when i got PTSD...but yes exposing myself to things I enjoy does tend to help a little bit.
2. I am very light sensative so bright light exposure tends to make my head hurt.
3. excercise certainly can be good......I do get quite a bit of walking in, but I don't enjoy very exerting physical activities.
4. and yeah diet can help, so I try and make sure I am getting all the proper nutrients, though I admit I am not the best at that.
But yeah thanks for the advice, and i may be able to see a psychiatrist before i get on medicaid....my mom might cover the cost for me until I can afford it. I have to admit though my distrust of people makes me worry about what might happen if I am honest with a psychiatrist. I won't say I am contemplating suicide of course but still... I am kind of worried.
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Well, for the record I have been taking you very seriously. I have been fighting mood disorders for the last 20 years of my life and I have read a lot about psych issues. That is why your posts concern me. If I thought you were a bother I would not spend all this time trying to reply to you.
Depression is pain and helplessness and hopelessness and yes it is normal to make that want to end. The problem for you it seems it that it has been long-lasting and severe. That emptiness is called anhedonia and with that is a lack of motivation to do anything. I have had this happen to me many times. With depression this severe, medication is the first step. And yes I know how hard that first step is when you just can't get motivated.
Good Luck and keep posting to WP
Well yeah I am working on it, I just don't want to have another bad reaction to anti-depressants...i mean one reason I tend to self medicate with cannabis is because i feel in control of that and it does not have a lot of nasty side effects. I am just worried about how much anti-depressants alter the mind.....maybe not all are like this but the prozac made me feel like the drug was in control and not giving me any say in what I wanted out of them that kind of feeling makes me really anxious. Though I probably will give another type a chance and maybe another after that but if I don't like the effects I may end up sticking to cannabis in the end its possible I could get a medical card and have it legally at some point maybe.
