I have this grandoise idea that I might be St.John/Lucifer

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WhiteWidow
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26 Jan 2013, 8:08 pm

I couldn't embed these videos for the life of me.

http://youtu.be/H8Axiqnzglg
WARNING: CONTAINS VERY GRAPHIC MATERIAL (AND VEHEMENT POLITICAL DISPARAGE)
SKIP TO 2M+ if you want to see the dancing.

I can't stop listening to this song either, and I ordered "Their Satanic Majesties Request."
http://youtu.be/R3rnxQBizoU

I rented, and own a ton of Stones albums within a matter of months.

My head has recently imported knowledge of genetics, binary mathematics,
angles.

I looked into the sun directly yesterday when it was at an appropriate apex, and
I saw a giant entity made of energy. I was breath taken.

I thought to myself: "So this is how the universe was created."



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26 Jan 2013, 8:55 pm

Sounds like a delusion to me, but I understand that you might not be able to tell. Do you do any drugs? Have you considered stopping all drugs for a while and seeing what happens?



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26 Jan 2013, 9:35 pm

MadMonkey wrote:
Sounds like a delusion to me, but I understand that you might not be able to tell. Do you do any drugs? Have you considered stopping all drugs for a while and seeing what happens?


Yes I smoke marijuana. But it's been a thought of mine for quite some time. And everything you do
in your life is about your life. I figured that out a long time ago. And recently I realized it and it
scared the hell out of me, but also opened my eyes at the same time.

We are all one. I know exactly what everyone is talking about, I know what Charles Manson was
talking about. As odd as that sounds. To an extent, not entirely. But I get "it."
sort of.

I feel like Elton John might be god, and Mick Jagger is Satan and Detroit
and Philadelphia are separated by the Eerie river.

"Philadelphia Freedom" Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJHL34DiBY

"Philadelphia freedom took me knee high to a man"
"I use to be a rolling stone."

I listen to tons of Rolling Stones. I recently learned to dance like Jagger and
my house has been invaded with tons of Stones albums recently,
I even bought the "Their Satanic Majesties Request." but before
I received it (which I haven't yet) I rented out an Elton John record
with "Philadelphia Freedom" on it.

The illuminati controls people with gamma waves. They use music celebrities like Mick Jagger,
and Elton John (during the black panther era was huge) and Mick during the "War on Drugs" was
huge and actually still is.

Keep calling me crazy. Tell me why I am. Then I will believe you. Until then. Believe me.



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26 Jan 2013, 10:16 pm

I think the monkey called it right...stop doing all drugs for a while and I'd also try for a pop culture/music break as well. One of the hardest things to do is learn to filter and regulate incoming data and perceptions.
You might want to explore meditative grounding techniques - it helps to sort out the 'crap' that you are sensing is unbalanced.



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26 Jan 2013, 10:27 pm

BornThisWay wrote:
I think the monkey called it right...stop doing all drugs for a while and I'd also try for a pop culture/music break as well. One of the hardest things to do is learn to filter and regulate incoming data and perceptions.
You might want to explore meditative grounding techniques - it helps to sort out the 'crap' that you are sensing is unbalanced.


Like you? Just enjoy my theories. Holy crap. Complete rubbish. Do I need a suit and a million followers? Will you
believe me then?

Did you know that marijuana was legal in America before 1970 too? Holy cow. That's not
even a conspiracy.

This is why Manson wanted to install a black US Government?

Gimme' a frikken break. I'm done being called crazy. You're crazy. Tell me why
I am. Give me a theory. Guess what? Cheese is sometimes green. Did you know that?
Prove me wrong. Get with it dude, seriously. You and all the other people
who have been now coined "social therapists."

And your tax dollars pay for it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA x infinity.

+ LOL (A great big one.)

Do you like to label everything? Call everyone something? Crazy? A lunatic? Maybe that's "weird."

You and every other woman who gives birth to a child and names it because they're not fulfilled
with their lives, and cannot engineer something. No offense. This is real to me at least. And you can
choose to believe what you want.

But FFS stop calling people "crazy" or "conspiracy theorists." You're one too. You conspire
every single day. You know who gets on my nerves? People who deny the F*ng truth. Every. Single. Day.



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26 Jan 2013, 11:09 pm

...Um?

So, what exactly is your goal in creating this thread?



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27 Jan 2013, 2:53 am

In all seriousness is there any way the staff here can help somehow or otherwise intervene? Between this thread and the other one WhiteWidow made (link) it's pretty clear that they are suffering from a paranoid delusion and I am legitimately concerned about their mental health.



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27 Jan 2013, 6:37 am

ruckus wrote:
In all seriousness is there any way the staff here can help somehow or otherwise intervene? Between this thread and the other one WhiteWidow made (link) it's pretty clear that they are suffering from a paranoid delusion and I am legitimately concerned about their mental health.

we actually really can't intervene in a case like this. if a person is having a psychotic break, for example, they might be delusional but not necessarily a threat to themselves or others. we basically can't violate their privacy. hopefully someone in real life sees what we see and is able to intervene.


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27 Jan 2013, 8:24 am

I cannot follow your train of thought...

Can somebody PLEASE contact the local authorities and help this guy?!



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27 Jan 2013, 11:48 am

I was really hoping his videos would go viral so someone would intervene on his behalf. Doesn't look like that's happening.


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28 Jan 2013, 5:02 pm

I would for real see a therapist about this. If these ideas are true and real, then seeing someone about them won't change anything. If they are simply delusions then seeing a therapist can help get you back on track. It's a win/win situation.


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29 Jan 2013, 12:50 am

If the first video is yours, the music is way too quiet to hear. Clearly, the video needs music to dance to, or it looks like you are miming instead.

More seriously, WhiteWidow, I'm going to say that I'm sort of on your side (although you would seem to have gone of quite a tangent). Historically speaking, most very bright people have explored metaphysics and conspiracies and such (Newton + alchemy, Conan Doyle + spiritualism, say). I would say this is because the temptation of putting together many hints and clues that seem obscure into grand theories is a great draw for theorists and thinkers.

Personally, I love to read about so-called conspiracy theories, and at least half-believe many of them. However, I have found it helpful to temper my reading with anti-conspiracy books, those that pull apart such theories and tell the many ways in which they can be deceitful.

A good place to start is with the James Randi Educational Foundation (James Randi is a professional magician himself and was one of the first to really get into writing about this in books, as far as I know). This book is quite good to start with, for instance, in terms of general knowledge: book link I picked up a couple random books a few years ago from the university library that discussed how alien sightings could very well have been faked, and how the psychological phenomenon of sighting aliens developed historically (first as angels, then later random flying machines (before "everyone" agreed on what they were seeing), then aliens as we "know" them). If you like that topic, this site looks pretty cool: UFO info site (I know I'm going to read through it myself at some point; I think it was one of this guy's books I read first on that topic: link)

Lately, I've been reading "Scams from the great beyond" by Peter Huston, which tells many of the ways in which all sorts of things can be faked, from ESP to aliens to crop circles and beyond (largely from a stage magician's perspective). It's really good. I was also recently reading Oliver Sack's new book on Hallucinations recently, which tells of an extremely large number of ways that they can come about. These examples aren't directly on topic, but they are related examples that I know enough about to write about.

My basic point for you is that there are so many ways in which psychic phenomenon can be faked or misunderstood, that it is very difficult to find out what is true. Anyone can go out and make a website, and even if it is well-networked with other websites and has a ton of content (David Icke, I'm looking at you; they don't need another link to their site), it doesn't mean that it is any more realistic than any of the other websites or books. I liked reading the theories, for instance, about the Lady Gaga videos and how they are "evidence" of mind control from the MKUltra project in the media. Maybe they are, maybe (and probably) they aren't. Or perhaps they just look like they are to fool people (to have fun or make extra money by looking scandalous). Was there an MKUltra project? Apparently yes, by that name, but what it really was and what it did leads to a lot of online speculation that may not (probably is not) any better than the historical fakes that are brought up in some of the books mentioned earlier. The sites that tell you how to tell if you are a fairy or an ancient spirit, which is what I suspect lead you off to your current suggestion that you are actually Lucifer (like these guys an otherkin link), probably not very true. But who knows, really... at least you recognize that it is just a "grandiose idea."

It's good to leave things at that level, with everything plausible as an idea, but then to try to gain more knowledge and facts. And of course, who doesn't want to get the best facts possible, to reach more accurate conclusions (to wade through the fraudsters and the misguided to learn things that may actually be true)? So, as in any research, check your sources, try to find out who is saying something and what their real motivations are. That's what I try to do, anyway.

(A vague caveat from Neil Gaiman's comic "The books of magic":
"Doctor Thirteen: I've been professionally investigating the occult for fifteen years, now, lad. Magic, spooks, witch-cults. You might call me a professional debunker. In fifteen years, I haven't seen one thing that was not susceptible to rational explanation. Either it was a hoax, or a fraud, or — often — people wanting so much to believe in powerful forces outside of our ken that they'd convince themselves of the existence of magic, taking simple coincidence or delusion as proof of their superstitions...
John Constantine: He doesn't believe in magic. And he's right. Magic doesn't exist, for him. You have to choose it, you see.")

Finally, for fun, here is a related song and an album that I heard for the first time on youtube in the past week:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_JnCWT-_O8[/youtube]
There is a whole chapter on how to fake bending spoons in Huston's book, btw.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTrcWO1rGbY[/youtube]


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29 Jan 2013, 2:11 am

I'm hoping when things calm down and temporary(?) normalcy returns, WW will come back to these threads and see what was going on. Like someone who can't remember what they did during a drugged/drunken/psychotic state, maybe looking at the footage of the rampage will encourage them to deal with the main problem.

Calm down. Seek assistance... good people still exist (really!) and are happy to help.



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02 Feb 2013, 5:50 am

WhiteWidow wrote:
I couldn't embed these videos for the life of me.

http://youtu.be/H8Axiqnzglg
WARNING: CONTAINS VERY GRAPHIC MATERIAL (AND VEHEMENT POLITICAL DISPARAGE)
SKIP TO 2M+ if you want to see the dancing.

I can't stop listening to this song either, and I ordered "Their Satanic Majesties Request."
http://youtu.be/R3rnxQBizoU

I rented, and own a ton of Stones albums within a matter of months.

My head has recently imported knowledge of genetics, binary mathematics,
angles.

I looked into the sun directly yesterday when it was at an appropriate apex, and
I saw a giant entity made of energy. I was breath taken.

I thought to myself: "So this is how the universe was created."


Sounds awesome.



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02 Feb 2013, 6:00 am

What I can't understand is why the title is worded "I have this grandoise idea that I might be St.John/Lucifer.

That doesn't make sense. If WhiteWidow used that word doesn't that mean he recognizes the idea as unrealistic?

Say I really believed I was a demon. I would title the thread stating |I'm a demon" rather than "I have this grandoise idea that I'm really a demon".


I might be wrong and I'm sorry if I sound dismissive but this doesn't seem genuine to me.



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02 Feb 2013, 6:04 am

The mind is unpredictable.