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03 Feb 2015, 2:02 pm

Suicide is seems always to be viewed as wrong, bad, immoral, weak. But is it ever the right thing to do?
I've tried really hard to make my life something of value, but it just isn't. I saw my psychiatrist the other day and he said that my mental illness will be a lifelong battle. But is it a battle worth fighting. I'm a burden to my mother and to the state. I'm not capable of forming a relationship. My life is a waste of time and resources.
I know how to kill myself, I just need to get over the feeling of it being wrong. The thing is, I think it might be right.
People make a fuss over the sanctity of life, but I'm not sure why. Is life really that important?



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03 Feb 2015, 2:12 pm

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Is life really that important?

That's a good question. Suicide is not always wrong. It depends on the situation.



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03 Feb 2015, 2:26 pm

I don't think you should take your life, if you feel useless or bored find new things to learn and know about- thats what keeps me intrested in life and not seeing it as boring



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03 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm

Humanaut wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Is life really that important?

That's a good question. Suicide is not always wrong. It depends on the situation.

Exactly. Sometimes it is a rational solution.



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03 Feb 2015, 2:33 pm

Your situation doesn't sound hopeless, and a lifelong battle could even offer meaning in itself.



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03 Feb 2015, 2:44 pm

Yes, it is wrong. You are having a down period but don't make your feelings into facts. Your life is worthwhile even if you don't recognize that it is. Watch, "It's A Wonderful Life".

From what I've read, most people do it in an irrational state of mind, due to bullying or because they are angry with someone and want to get back at them. Sometimes a person is depressed and feels there is no way out but these feelings aren't always facts. People shouldn't be so quick to give up. Think about it-would you want someone to have such a little regard for you life? Some people become depressed and don't only kill themselves but they kill others too (murder-suicide), where THEY decide on the fate of others. This is so wrong. I can understand how helpless and scared people can feel but I think lately, suicide almost seems like the thing to do when facing obstacles. I think in many ways, it has been romanticized. I've listened to a songs about suicide and they are depressing (The Angel song for example). If people are feeling sad already, those songs will just drive them further over the edge (in my opinion). If you are feeling depressed, listen to "eye of the tiger".



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03 Feb 2015, 3:09 pm

It's not a case of it being 'right' or 'wrong'. You can make a case for either really, there's no absolute. If you're dead what do you care whether it was right or wrong anyway?

I don't know what your life is like of course and don't wish to sound glib but I've certainly made out a case for suicide as a perfectly rational course of action in my life and I'm still here. What got me through is acceptance. Radical acceptance of my situation was the only way, however awful it was, and believe me it was pretty awful. I just had to let go of expectation, of demand, of blame, guilt, shame all the rest of it. If I resisted and got into thinking my life would be better if such a thing hadn't happened etc then all I could see was suicide. If I surrendered and accepted then amazing things happened because I opened myself to possibilities and stuff happened I hadn't anticipated in my closed and defensive state.

Read 'A New Earth' by Eckhart Tolle.

Read 'f**k It' by John C. Parkin.



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03 Feb 2015, 3:37 pm

Suicide is wrong, in most cases. I don't think of it in moral terms, though.

If somebody is dying of cancer, and it is known that the person is going to die, and the person is in extreme pain, then I would consider suicide to be potentially "right."



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03 Feb 2015, 6:21 pm

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Humanaut wrote:
Your situation doesn't sound hopeless, and a lifelong battle could even offer meaning in itself.


This.

FWIW I used to experience suicidal thoughts throughout my life and especially strongly a couple years ago before I figured out the chemical cause & how to treat it. It's now been a couple years since I've had a passively suicidal thought. If I can figure myself out and change, there's hope for yourself and others, too.


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03 Feb 2015, 7:10 pm

While I would like to say that suicide is wrong, I'd hate to be riddled with so much untreatable cancer that my only two choices were screaming agony or a drug-induced coma. In that case, I might welcome the final act.

Otherwise, it is not for me to judge the desperate needs of others.


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03 Feb 2015, 7:31 pm

I think wrong is the wrong word, in this topic. My husband committed suicide when his medical situation became hopeless. I don't think he was "wrong". I think he was incredibly brave to face his death alone, doing what he thought was best for others and himself. It was a horrible death (he drank poison and it took hours to die by slow suffocation as his lungs shut down). He knew what he was doing, it took huge courage to do that.



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03 Feb 2015, 7:35 pm

I don't think it's morally wrong at all.

I think, in most cases, it's "wrong" because there's always potential in people, even if it doesn't seem to be there at that moment.

If somebody's upset because they can't get a girlfriend, for example. I've been in despair before for that very reason. A few times, I thought about jumping in front of a moving car. But do you think suicide's the answer? No way!! !

I think, in situations like your husband's, suicide is more viable than in most situations.



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03 Feb 2015, 7:40 pm

androbot01 wrote:
But is it a battle worth fighting.
Yes.
I don't know if peace can be achieved through the means of suicide, to me, it is an end.
If there is a chance that your perception might alter slightly over time, then imo there is a chance to experience some level of inner peace. My experience of euthanasia is that it is the last resort for someone in agony with no hope for recovery.



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03 Feb 2015, 8:14 pm

My personal feeling is that, in most cases, suicide is a waste.

My feeling is based on what physically happens to a person after he/she passes away.



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03 Feb 2015, 11:43 pm

BlueYellowBrownGreen wrote:
Yes, it is wrong. You are having a down period but don't make your feelings into facts. Your life is worthwhile even if you don't recognize that it is. Watch, "It's A Wonderful Life".

From what I've read, most people do it in an irrational state of mind, due to bullying or because they are angry with someone and want to get back at them. Sometimes a person is depressed and feels there is no way out but these feelings aren't always facts. People shouldn't be so quick to give up. Think about it-would you want someone to have such a little regard for you life? Some people become depressed and don't only kill themselves but they kill others too (murder-suicide), where THEY decide on the fate of others. This is so wrong. I can understand how helpless and scared people can feel but I think lately, suicide almost seems like the thing to do when facing obstacles. I think in many ways, it has been romanticized. I've listened to a songs about suicide and they are depressing (The Angel song for example). If people are feeling sad already, those songs will just drive them further over the edge (in my opinion). If you are feeling depressed, listen to "eye of the tiger".



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People shouldn't be so quick to give up? hmmm I was not aware over 6 years was 'giving up so quick'...I endured a lot of crap till the age of 15 and attempted suicide I didn't just up and decide to do it one day it was after years of constant bullying/ostracism and a tense home life with parents who did not get along to get me to the point of considering suicide. So with that experience I cannot say it is right or wrong, its a momentary thing....one feels so horrible and doesn't see another option its not a matter of giving up so quick in most cases its feeling as though death is preferable to the amount of pain you are in at the time the decision is made its not an easy thing like some people seem to think.

Also I find when I am in the depths of my depression, I prefer music that is more depressing as it helps me work out how I feel or helps me let it out...If I try to listen to anything up-beat when I feel like that it gives me an unpleasant sort of nausea and I simply cannot stand it. Of course I do not think suicide would have solved anything looking back but at the time that was not on my mind, ending the pain and misery was on my mind and that I seemed to just cause problems for anyone so figured everyone would be better off without me.


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03 Feb 2015, 11:46 pm

I do not recommend suicide, but I cannot give you a real reason not to do it, I cannot even think of a solid reason as to why I shouldn't.


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