How do I handle hating myself?

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02 Feb 2019, 9:32 am

I really do hate myself, more than I hate anybody else.

List of things I hate about myself:

* I have a mental illness that will never be cured
* I have no self esteem or confidence
* I'm so self-centered and spoiled
* I drive everyone around me crazy
* I ramble
* Other than Shawn who passed away years ago I have ruined every friendship I ever had
* I can't control my emotions especially when triggered
* I was very fat and ugly for so long, and now people tell me how handsome I look but I still have a terrible and unattractive personality that can't be fixed
* I can't get a job because I am on disability and if I ever lose those disability benefits someday I am f****d
* I feel like somebody always hates me no matter where I am on the internet or in real life
* I always get taken advantage of
* I'm too cowardly to stand up for myself and when I do try to stand up for myself I end up becoming a monster
* I'm too easily angered
* I get too excited
* Whenever I try to do the right thing somebody ALWAYS tells me I'm wrong.
* I'm almost 30 and so far I have not accomplished ONE DAMN THING in my life!
* I'm pretty much a "manchild" and always will be
* My education system failed me and people think I'm an idiot because I never know what I'm talking about
* Being homosexual means I'm one of the most hated minorities in the world
* Even my own father and my stepfathers hated me and didn't want anything to do with me ever since I was first born
* I brag about all my heritages like I'm so special but really all of my heritages suck, and I suck
* I'm a big attention seeker and that's why I annoy the hell out of everyone and people want to quit being my friend
* I say the most stupid and crazy s**t when I am upset or triggered
* I live in such a BS country that I despise but I can never leave
* I'm poor and always will be poor
* I'll never get to fufill any of my dreams
* No man will ever want me because I'm too crazy and stupid to be around
* I'm completely worthless and a burden on everybody
* I will never learn to drive
* I can't have a family of my own because I would be a horrible parent
* I stuff my face with food every day in my mom's warm cozy house while homeless people are starving and freezing and I can't do s**t to help them AND I could so easily become homeless myself one day


I really think I'm better off dead but I'm too much of a coward to try and kill myself again because I know from personal experience that no matter how you try to kill yourself it always hurts.

I bet people would pretend to be sad about me for a day or two because it's expected out of them and then after a week or so they would forget that I ever even existed.



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02 Feb 2019, 1:10 pm

oh f**k my life. twiz, this is a flip. on urself. tbh i've beaten myself up with nearly every of those sticks throughout my life. i am trying to learn to not do that. self criticism is okay, self hate is not (says someone, who had hated herself up to a point of suicide attempt. and im here. lets work.

* I have a mental illness that will never be cured - like i wrote before, cant be removed, but can be tampered and even used as an advantage with enough work.
* I have no self esteem or confidence - temporary. building that, and maintaining a healthy position between too little and too much is every decent person's life hurdle. u are not a shameless narcissist, and that would be only really unforgivable transgression
* I'm so self-centered and spoiled - no u f*****g are not. u u are contradicting urself, u cant have low self esteem AND be self-centered at a same time. cross that out.
* I drive everyone around me crazy - i was crazy long before i knew it, but actually if u are anyhow changing my mental health, its only for the better of it.
* I ramble - no u dont. period. u are perfectly coherent even when u are on a high roll.
* Other than Shawn who passed away years ago I have ruined every friendship I ever had - i cant efficiently contradict that, because i wasnt there, but am i myself not something friendly, who isnt f*****g off, m?) (even if i am not a friend, i am friendly.)
* I can't control my emotions especially when triggered - u are trying. thats what matters. u havent seen me raging, i think ^^
* I was very fat and ugly for so long, and now people tell me how handsome I look but I still have a terrible and unattractive personality that can't be fixed - i told u before, i find ur light side intoxicating, and ur dark side enticing. i wont point out really unattractive personalities here, to not be accuzed of all various ways of BS, but i can count quite a few only of ppl we both know.
* I can't get a job because I am on disability and if I ever lose those disability benefits someday I am f****d - i cant get a job, because i am a female, raising a child, disabled in several ways, too old and incompetitive. and its a b***h of arrangement, but none of us can really be blamed for being out-run to job posts.
* I feel like somebody always hates me no matter where I am on the internet or in real life - every single person has ppl, who hate them. and most of the time, for no f*****g reasons. haters gonna hate, its not about u. its about them. i might just have to share some of my hate mail someday if u keep that up xd
* I always get taken advantage of - maybe not allways, but if it happens, its not ur fault. being a victim is no crime. dixi.
* I'm too cowardly to stand up for myself and when I do try to stand up for myself I end up becoming a monster - when i try to stand and fight i allways overkill. i know that, and i do my best to avoid fights alltogather, but if they are brought to me, the only ppl who are guilty of that, are those who did it. they could've f****d off. they didnt. and what they see, is what they get. they asked for it. say it to urself next time somebody f***s with u.
* I'm too easily angered - temperament is something u just get. its natural. a quality u know about. the question is, what u DO with ur anger. if u even TRY to control it, u allready win (even if u didnt manage it. u tried.)
* I get too excited - same as previous.
* Whenever I try to do the right thing somebody ALWAYS tells me I'm wrong. - see up for haters gonna hate. there are ppl, who want to put u down just to put u down. f**k them. better not literally, though.
* I'm almost 30 and so far I have not accomplished ONE DAMN THING in my life! - i am 31 and what have i achieved? also who had crafted loveliest things? u did. if nothing else.
* I'm pretty much a "manchild" and always will be - inconfortable. but all autists are more or less "childlike", its on our state profile. not ur fault.
* My education system failed me and people think I'm an idiot because I never know what I'm talking about - maybe u lack in academic knowledge, but that alone doesnt diminish u as a PERSONALITY. (and im not sure u really lack, either)
* Being homosexual means I'm one of the most hated minorities in the world - again, hate towards u, even if it happens, is a fault of who feels it, not u (unless u DID smth to earn it, which u didnt. its nobody's f*****g business what u like to do togather with other ppl, given they consent)
* Even my own father and my stepfathers hated me and didn't want anything to do with me ever since I was first born (once again. haters gotta hate. that only shows what a petty bunch of s**ts they are)
* I brag about all my heritages like I'm so special but really all of my heritages suck, and I suck - well u've decided to not brag any more, remember? and even if u dont belong to some great line, doesnt mean u suck. and otherwise.
* I'm a big attention seeker and that's why I annoy the hell out of everyone and people want to quit being my friend - i dont see an attention seeker. well, only to normal limits. even if u seek attention, u do it the benevolent way, by trying to share, not to demand. we all want to be seen.
* I say the most stupid and crazy s**t when I am upset or triggered - so do i. thats what apologies are for.
* I live in such a BS country that I despise but I can never leave - and that is ur fault how? i live in a total hellhole, i was f*****g born here. so were u.
* I'm poor and always will be poor - so is the majority of ppl in the world. not golden kids, are we? livable.
* I'll never get to fufill any of my dreams - i cannot effectively contradict that, bc i dont know what roadblocks u are facing there. but maybe rethink this? maybe something is achievable?
* No man will ever want me because I'm too crazy and stupid to be around - u are unusual, and u are not stupid. i am not a man, but im pretty sure u are quite a match for some specific person, who values creativity over normativity...
* I'm completely worthless and a burden on everybody - no u f*****g are NOT. period. how many times did u pick me up?
* I will never learn to drive - neither will i. my eyesight is too sh***y for that. there are buses and trains
* I can't have a family of my own because I would be a horrible parent - once again cant contradict that, but some ppl live without being parents just all right...
* I stuff my face with food every day in my mom's warm cozy house while homeless people are starving and freezing and I can't do s**t to help them AND I could so easily become homeless myself one day - then what should any golden kid think about themselves, being dressed in silk and gold while we struggle to get cloths sometimes? that is not an argument, u have what u have. u acknowledge somebody is in a worse situation, and that feeling of guilt u have only shows the altitude of ur personality. most ppl would never even f*****g think about anything like that.

now, am i not convincing? i can have another go. i like doing that)))


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02 Feb 2019, 1:42 pm

I think you're right, if I was truly narcissistic I would not feel bad for being selfish or for the homeless guys I see out in the cold here in Pensacola. I really wish I could do something to help then. :(

Maybe I should talk to my mom about therapy once she moves back to Pensacola in August? Maybe a therapist could help me?



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02 Feb 2019, 1:54 pm

i wont say yes, i wont say no. to me they are useless. my psychotic mentality is way too unique xD well maybe somewhere across the globe there is some, that could unf**k me, but here in russia, this is BS. for u, well, u are very well self-handled. u are not first bipolar i met, and u are best at understanding urself and handling ur special stuff. and ya not narcissistic. bipolars do have a higher risk for entering narcissistic spectrum, and u do need to be on watch for that, but so far u are evading it just clean. i have somewhat a special penchant of detecting narcissists, thanx to all of them who fed off me before i knew it. ur self-criticism is spiking into red zone, but i didnt see it drop dangerously low. u return emotions, u try to help others when u find urself capable of that. u share. back to therapy, well, do try. but if u feel smth off, run and retry elsewhere (or dont, if u dont feel safe with that). just dont expect first therapist u see to be a saviour. often they are not equipped to deal with a specific person who isnt common cause (and we are totally not common). so be careful, ok?)


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02 Feb 2019, 2:06 pm

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i wont say yes, i wont say no. to me they are useless. my psychotic mentality is way too unique xD well maybe somewhere across the globe there is some, that could unf**k me, but here in russia, this is BS. for u, well, u are very well self-handled. u are not first bipolar i met, and u are best at understanding urself and handling ur special stuff. and ya not narcissistic. bipolars do have a higher risk for entering narcissistic spectrum, and u do need to be on watch for that, but so far u are evading it just clean. i have somewhat a special penchant of detecting narcissists, thanx to all of them who fed off me before i knew it. ur self-criticism is spiking into red zone, but i didnt see it drop dangerously low. u return emotions, u try to help others when u find urself capable of that. u share. back to therapy, well, do try. but if u feel smth off, run and retry elsewhere (or dont, if u dont feel safe with that). just dont expect first therapist u see to be a saviour. often they are not equipped to deal with a specific person who isnt common cause (and we are totally not common). so be careful, ok?)


I think you're right about that, I had one really good doctor as a kid (the one who diagnosed me with aspergers) but the rest all kind of sucked, especially the ones who prescribe my medication for my bipolar disorder. :lol:

I've had bad experiences with narcissists and sociopaths myself. My mom's fourth husband was exactly that type. But I'm really not good at reading people and I get so vulnerable because I tend to assume if somebody seems nice they are my friend or if they come across as a bit mean then they are my worst enemy. I guess that's how most people with autism are? We're not good at reading people. :(



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02 Feb 2019, 2:19 pm

no, we are not. unless we learn. still better with text than personal encounter. all that body language stuff only confuses and interferes with communication to me. its not and not easy, and in face to face social life im quite helpless. in text communication, quite different. everything i cant pick up is filtered out, leaving the essense. and when u know what to look for, know to trust ur gut, detecting dangerous ppl is easier)


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02 Feb 2019, 2:30 pm

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no, we are not. unless we learn. still better with text than personal encounter. all that body language stuff only confuses and interferes with communication to me. its not and not easy, and in face to face social life im quite helpless. in text communication, quite different. everything i cant pick up is filtered out, leaving the essense. and when u know what to look for, know to trust ur gut, detecting dangerous ppl is easier)


I guess that's true. I find it easier to talk through typing. :)

Have you ever watched Mary and Max? It's a great movie about an old man with Aspergers living in New York City who befriends a little girl living in Australia and they write letters to each other for many years. I think it was based on a true story? It reminds me of what you just said about ot being easier for us to communicate by written or typed messages. :)

Unfortunetly I think my bipolar disorder makes it difficult to befriend people online aswell. :|



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02 Feb 2019, 2:46 pm

i havent watched that movie. but all my social life is done via internet. i dont count smalltalk with kg nurses and store stuff xd otherwise im a total hermit from outsider's perspective in "real" life)
and ya being different brings up walls in every method, but meeting somebody who suits u online is so much better chance, when u are not constrained by where u can physically go ^^


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02 Feb 2019, 9:57 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
I really do hate myself, more than I hate anybody else.

List of things I hate about myself:

* I have a mental illness that will never be cured

You did not choose or cause your mental illness



* I have no self esteem or confidence

You can't measure confidence. Some precious lil "people" have :roll: confidence not proportional to competence :ninja:


* I'm so self-centered and spoiled

Who told you that?

Maybe they were wrong.

Plenty of spoiled peopledo not hate themselves


* I drive everyone around me crazy

If there is one exception, the whole statement is wrong

* I ramble

So what? Either you are Curt or "rambling" :idea: no happy medium. You can't satisfy everyone at all times

* Other than Shawn who passed away years ago I have ruined every friendship I ever had

"Life" goes on without friends


* I can't control my emotions especially when triggered

Plenty of people are like that. So what?

* I was very fat and ugly for so long, and now people tell me how handsome I look but I still have a terrible and unattractive personality that can't be fixed

Dialectical behavioral therapy



* I can't get a job because I am on disability and if I ever lose those disability benefits someday I am f****d



* I feel like somebody always hates me no matter where I am on the internet or in real life

"Feel like" does not mean that they hate you

They could be unjustified for hating you

* I always get taken advantage of

"Always"?

* I'm too cowardly to stand up for myself and when I do try to stand up for myself I end up becoming a monster

* I'm too easily angered



* I get too excited
* Whenever I try to do the right thing somebody ALWAYS tells me I'm wrong.
* I'm almost 30 and so far I have not accomplished ONE DAMN THING in my life!

Zero? No school or work or friends?


* I'm pretty much a "manchild" and always will be
* My education system failed me and people think I'm an idiot because I never know what I'm talking about
* Being homosexual means I'm one of the most hated minorities in the world

You do not cause homophobia

* Even my own father and my stepfathers hated me and didn't want anything to do with me ever since I was first born

That is not your fault

* I brag about all my heritages like I'm so special but really all of my heritages suck, and I suck
* I'm a big attention seeker and that's why I annoy the hell out of everyone and people want to quit being my friend
* I say the most stupid and crazy s**t when I am upset or triggered
* I live in such a BS country that I despise but I can never leave

You are not responsible for the political climate of an entire country.

* I'm poor and always will be poor

Classism


* I'll never get to fufill any of my dreams

You can't prove that

Plenty of people do not fulfill their dreams

In first grade, plenty of students (in my class) said they want to be president of the United States

There is only one president every four years


* No man will ever want me because I'm too crazy and stupid to be around.

Unless you are precognitive you do not know that


Being single is not necessarily a bad thing

Just because no man (or spouse) wants you , does not guarantee that there is something wrong with you

* I'm completely worthless and a burden on everybody

You can't measure your value

Even the exchange rate of monetary currency fluctuates every day

:D


* I will never learn to drive

Not everyone drives. Medical (blind), legal . What is so great about driving?

* I can't have a family of my own because I would be a horrible parent

Overpopulation


* I stuff my face with food every day in my mom's warm cozy house while homeless people are starving and freezing and I can't do s**t to help them AND I could so easily become homeless myself one day

Counseling, medication

Volunteer soup kitchen


I really think I'm better off dead but I'm too much of a coward to try and kill myself again because I know from personal experience that no matter how you try to kill yourself it always hurts.

I bet people would pretend to be sad about me for a day or two because it's expected out of them and then after a week or so they would forget that I ever even existed.





Nobody is perfect


Plenty of precious lil "people" act like they are perfect. They act like they are the latest greatest thing since sliced bread


Based on your description, to me, you do not sound that bad


Sheesh



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02 Feb 2019, 10:08 pm

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TW1ZTY wrote:
I really do hate myself, more than I hate anybody else.

List of things I hate about myself:

* I have a mental illness that will never be cured

You did not choose or cause your mental illness



* I have no self esteem or confidence

You can't measure confidence. Some precious lil "people" have :roll: confidence not proportional to competence :ninja:


* I'm so self-centered and spoiled

Who told you that?

Maybe they were wrong.

Plenty of spoiled peopledo not hate themselves


* I drive everyone around me crazy

If there is one exception, the whole statement is wrong

* I ramble

So what? Either you are Curt or "rambling" :idea: no happy medium. You can't satisfy everyone at all times

* Other than Shawn who passed away years ago I have ruined every friendship I ever had

"Life" goes on without friends


* I can't control my emotions especially when triggered

Plenty of people are like that. So what?

* I was very fat and ugly for so long, and now people tell me how handsome I look but I still have a terrible and unattractive personality that can't be fixed

Dialectical behavioral therapy



* I can't get a job because I am on disability and if I ever lose those disability benefits someday I am f****d



* I feel like somebody always hates me no matter where I am on the internet or in real life

"Feel like" does not mean that they hate you

They could be unjustified for hating you

* I always get taken advantage of

"Always"?

* I'm too cowardly to stand up for myself and when I do try to stand up for myself I end up becoming a monster

* I'm too easily angered



* I get too excited
* Whenever I try to do the right thing somebody ALWAYS tells me I'm wrong.
* I'm almost 30 and so far I have not accomplished ONE DAMN THING in my life!

Zero? No school or work or friends?


* I'm pretty much a "manchild" and always will be
* My education system failed me and people think I'm an idiot because I never know what I'm talking about
* Being homosexual means I'm one of the most hated minorities in the world

You do not cause homophobia

* Even my own father and my stepfathers hated me and didn't want anything to do with me ever since I was first born

That is not your fault

* I brag about all my heritages like I'm so special but really all of my heritages suck, and I suck
* I'm a big attention seeker and that's why I annoy the hell out of everyone and people want to quit being my friend
* I say the most stupid and crazy s**t when I am upset or triggered
* I live in such a BS country that I despise but I can never leave

You are not responsible for the political climate of an entire country.

* I'm poor and always will be poor

Classism


* I'll never get to fufill any of my dreams

You can't prove that

Plenty of people do not fulfill their dreams

In first grade, plenty of students (in my class) said they want to be president of the United States

There is only one president every four years


* No man will ever want me because I'm too crazy and stupid to be around.

Unless you are precognitive you do not know that


Being single is not necessarily a bad thing

Just because no man (or spouse) wants you , does not guarantee that there is something wrong with you

* I'm completely worthless and a burden on everybody

You can't measure your value

Even the exchange rate of monetary currency fluctuates every day

:D


* I will never learn to drive

Not everyone drives. Medical (blind), legal . What is so great about driving?

* I can't have a family of my own because I would be a horrible parent

Overpopulation


* I stuff my face with food every day in my mom's warm cozy house while homeless people are starving and freezing and I can't do s**t to help them AND I could so easily become homeless myself one day

Counseling, medication

Volunteer soup kitchen


I really think I'm better off dead but I'm too much of a coward to try and kill myself again because I know from personal experience that no matter how you try to kill yourself it always hurts.

I bet people would pretend to be sad about me for a day or two because it's expected out of them and then after a week or so they would forget that I ever even existed.





Nobody is perfect


Plenty of precious lil "people" act like they are perfect. They act like they are the latest greatest thing since sliced bread


Based on your description, to me, you do not sound that bad


Sheesh



:mrgreen:


You and serpentari are both right. I was just feeling really upset about a lot of stuff and feeling self-loathing. I know I'm not really self-centered and spoiled but just knowing about the horrible things that happen to those less fortunate than me makes me hate myself. I kind of feel like I don't deserve to have it as good as I do. I feel guilt over it.

I don't know where my local soup kitchens are in this city but maybe I could do more to help charity once my mom gets our financial situation fixed? It might help me feel a little better.



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03 Feb 2019, 6:11 am

fuh, recovering now, gj twiz)
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03 Feb 2019, 11:39 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
I really do hate myself, more than I hate anybody else.

List of things I hate about myself:

* I have a mental illness that will never be cured
* I have no self esteem or confidence
* I'm so self-centered and spoiled
* I drive everyone around me crazy
* I ramble
* Other than Shawn who passed away years ago I have ruined every friendship I ever had
* I can't control my emotions especially when triggered
* I was very fat and ugly for so long, and now people tell me how handsome I look but I still have a terrible and unattractive personality that can't be fixed
* I can't get a job because I am on disability and if I ever lose those disability benefits someday I am f****d
* I feel like somebody always hates me no matter where I am on the internet or in real life
* I always get taken advantage of
* I'm too cowardly to stand up for myself and when I do try to stand up for myself I end up becoming a monster
* I'm too easily angered
* I get too excited
* Whenever I try to do the right thing somebody ALWAYS tells me I'm wrong.
* I'm almost 30 and so far I have not accomplished ONE DAMN THING in my life!
* I'm pretty much a "manchild" and always will be
* My education system failed me and people think I'm an idiot because I never know what I'm talking about
* Being homosexual means I'm one of the most hated minorities in the world
* Even my own father and my stepfathers hated me and didn't want anything to do with me ever since I was first born
* I brag about all my heritages like I'm so special but really all of my heritages suck, and I suck
* I'm a big attention seeker and that's why I annoy the hell out of everyone and people want to quit being my friend
* I say the most stupid and crazy s**t when I am upset or triggered
* I live in such a BS country that I despise but I can never leave
* I'm poor and always will be poor
* I'll never get to fufill any of my dreams
* No man will ever want me because I'm too crazy and stupid to be around
* I'm completely worthless and a burden on everybody
* I will never learn to drive
* I can't have a family of my own because I would be a horrible parent
* I stuff my face with food every day in my mom's warm cozy house while homeless people are starving and freezing and I can't do s**t to help them AND I could so easily become homeless myself one day


I really think I'm better off dead but I'm too much of a coward to try and kill myself again because I know from personal experience that no matter how you try to kill yourself it always hurts.

I bet people would pretend to be sad about me for a day or two because it's expected out of them and then after a week or so they would forget that I ever even existed.


I wish I could give you a hug TW1ZTY. :( (There's no hug smilie, how bout that). I'm sorry you feel this way. You've mentioned the word coward a few times, but it takes guts to spill your heart out like you've done here. I salute your concern for others less fortunate than yourself. You have no idea how ahead of the race you are. One day you will have the power to help people, and you will realise why you had to go through all these feelings. Think of all the people who have money, power, looks, dates, jobs, etc and never lift a finger to help anyone but themselves. They never think badly of themselves...they just act badly. You think badly of yourself, but I bet you act with goodness.

You're definitely not better off dead. That's just the darkness trying to mess with your mind. You've got to fight it back and find that piece of yourself that is above being corrupted by self-defeating thoughts. There is something only you can offer to the world, and it's your duty to find out what it is. I hope you will start truly loving yourself because you deserve it. :)

And you lost weight?! That's bloody amazing! I wish I could boast the same - my body seems to think the Apocalypse is always around the corner. I can't sniff a rose without getting a pudge. :roll: Go you, man! 8)


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Prometheus18
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03 Feb 2019, 12:58 pm

I think you're just feeling sorry for yourself. Everyone is capable of changing the way he is, but it takes willpower and, for a while, self-denial, which is difficult when schools and parents are no longer allowed to teach such skills to children, but you can learn those skills, albeit with more difficulty, as an adult - and you have to, if you want to get anything out of life.