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I feel like I need to die.
Not like I want to die, I don't. Just like I need to so that everything will be okay again.
I don't know if I hate myself, a part of myself, the idea of myself...hate my self-hatred perhaps...
I don't like my brain, my body, my thoughts very much sometimes.
I don't like being different, and especially not being different from those who share in my differences.
I don't like having b***h tits that my vanity forces me to exercise like a bastard every day, of never wanting to go to the beach or swim or take your shirt off on a hot day, I don't like going in to the doctor after years of gearing yourself up and have him mock and make fun of you, even though he knows you are suicidal at the best of times, because you had to gear yourself up for years to let that go too, info that came out mere minutes before a DOCTOR put on a kid's voice and said, "Aww, is he upset cuz he's got widdle boobies?" Sneering at my helplessness. Laughing at my pain.
It took me ten years to go and see a doctor again after I ran out of that office, the world rocking and tipping in my field of view, lungs empty and diaphragm paralyzed.
I don't like that my father would beat on and attack my mom; I would wade in there, all stupid tiny fists and horrified rage, useless, impotent, wishing I could be a better son and save her.
I don't like that my mother uses the phrase, "You're just like HIM" to hurt me, as recently as this week.
I don't like that after my parents split up I raised my sister like I was her dad, a good dad. I don't like that she won't hear a f*****g WORD about AS or what's going on with me, tells me I'm wrong, acts embarrassed by me, tries to humiliate me in public constantly, takes and never gives back. I feel like a sap and a sucker and that I deserve it, that if I did better at my job she would not be a narcissistic user.
I don't like that to get revenge on my younger brother, the one who broke all my things, ruined them, the one my mother said "cured" her of her made-up maladies (and guess who caused them...) by being born, who was allowed to do anything he wanted to me and my stuff, I don't like that I seduced his girlfriend upon whom he relies for financial support, and that I feel no guilt about this, just a flat and twisted pride at .
I don't like that my parents sabotaged my few friendships, I don't like how I wasn't allowed to be friends with a kid because he was a "n****r", so I had to keep it a secret, which was hard because of the constant interrogations, debriefings to which I was subject.
I don't like that when I was sick, my mother would all the sudden have what I had, only louder and more omnipresent, with histrionic coughing fits that wouldn't fool a three year old, until I just learned to stay quiet or exaggerate my condition to the levels of bubonic plague in order to not be labeled a "malingerer".
I don't like that I am incapable of love, that I'm an odd, twisted Golem summoned by accident then forgotten, I don't like that I hurt people accidentally, people that I really like, while the ones I hate seem invincible.
I don't like having two personalities in my head, NEEDING THEM, having to project my hardness, keep my guard up, keep radiating *THREAT* because you do it anyways.
I don't like being alone, but I hate having people close to me, because I am poisonous.
I don't like...me.
I don't like that this is a reasonable conclusion.
I especially don't like that I wrote this, and that I will feel different about all these things tomorrow, that I will feel crazy and stupid and weak yet strong and powerful and righteous.
You people are much much better than me.
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Well, that's bollx!
How do you feel today? I hope you do feel differently.
It sounds like you've had a lot of anger-making stuff going on around you; the ignorant doctor, the way your mother treats you sometimes...actually she sounds a lot like mine was with me. That's the best thing about growing older, you can get away from that negativity and see it for what it is - someone else's stuff.
I'm sorry about your pain Kurtz, and I hope that today you feel more like living.
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If it were a crime to have gaps here and there in one's emotional repertoire, there'd be a lot of NTs in the slammer, not just you. (And me too, btw.)
Finding a half-decent doctor can be a chancy proposition. It would be a great world if you could open up the Yellow Pages at random, knowing that anyone you picked would be a good 'un. Sometimes you have to go shopping. Awful bad luck, though, to put off going for years, and then get that one on your first go-round. You deserve better.
Your mother: Playing favourites with one's children does damage to all of them. Attention-seeking at their expense isn't healthy either. I'd like to say I'm innocent on both counts, but that would be stretching the truth - just a little.
You're not any better, or any worse, than anyone else here. You'll do us, mate.
Thanks.
Yeah, I can see that, and I know why all of this stuff was done to me, I just can't shake that "it's all my stupid fault" feeling. I don't know if I ever will. It's like I can't control my path in life, like it's set in stone, and all I can do is control how fast I go.
Sometimes knowing the "why" adds to the sting of the "is".
My mother was a strict Catholic (as Jim Gaffigan would say, a "Shiite Catholic"), yet she only baptized me when I was 4 at my grandparents' insistence. When a person dies and is not baptized, they go to hell when they die. I was the only child that was treated this way; my brothers and my sister were all baptized at birth. My life has been nothing but close calls with death, from as early as I can remember, close calls which she had engineered, set in motion, then watched as they unfolded.
My mother's name is an Irish name that means "Little Mary". My older brother was conceived out of wedlock; my parents married when my mother was 3 months pregnant. My mother was almost disowned, told she was evil, that she was a whore and a stain on her namesake.
Sometimes mothers have children just so they can be vessels for evil, similar to the practice of infant rape in Africa as a "cure" for AIDS. I know now that this is quite common, and I was not the only one. I was "evil", I needed exorcisms all the time for being so bad, for being such a burden on everyone. "Bind and rebuke this evil, bind and rebuke it now!" I had to shout this along with her, exactly. She would go for huge stretches about how evil and twisted I was, then all of a sudden lunge for me because I wasn't making eye contact, forcing me to repeat back to her, word for word, what she had said to me, her hand crushing my windpipe.
She would send my brother after me, her hired goon who could do no wrong. I would spend hours every day in painful joint locks, at the complete and utter mercy of a sadist. When I would try and tell my mother, she would start screaming at me that I was killing her, couldn't I see that she stayed in bed all day because I was killing her? This is when I began to shut off my pain, to go to the OTHER PLACE. The only place left.
When I would cry from the pain, I was called a liar, and once I was forced to sign a contract that I wouldn't "fake cry" written up by my brother, signed by me with one arm twisted up behind my back, trying not to fake cry.
I really could have done without the whole "I can read your thoughts" bit. My mother could spot satanism and paganism behind every rock and bush, yet was into dowsing rods and pendulums and all that BS. This gave her the authority of GOD, a trick she learned from the priests, a trick designed to destroy a mind. I couldn't go to a friend's house because IT WOULD. JUST. BE. BAD!
I need some sleep.
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Typical Irish family Ea, Kurtz. It could just as well be French.
"There will be plenty of time for complaining, when you are burning in Hell!" Daphne on Frasier. Speaking of her mother, and all the things she was told growing up.
In some strange way they think they are helping you. Life is suffering, it was for them, so they spread the education.
You do have to get out on your own. When I got away from my family, lived with strangers, no one attacked me in my sleep, with a broom, then spent the whole day making my live as much pain as they could. It was unnerving, but I got used to it.
When some finally did give attacking me a try, the response came from the firey pits of hell, talk about overkill. Beating people to a bloody pulp, then kicking their quivering mass on the floor came so natural. While I was at it, I was calling them weak, cry baby, because they could not take what they started.
My friends were shocked by my behavior, except the Irish kid from Uptown. He understood.
As for your sister, you do make trouble. You show the high road, but mother told her she was evil scum that needed the devil beaten out of her. When her boyfriend did, what is a girl to do? Follow her brother, press charges, turn herself in at the Convent? Or remember mother, put makeup on her black eye, say she walked into a door, and stay with him?
Everyone has their own life to live.
It is summed up in the saying, "I taught you everything I knew, and you still know nothing."
You have been well trained for the down side of life. You will not be shocked or suprised by anything.
Perhaps they could not show you a better way, but they did everything to inform you of their life.
Clean water does taste better after living on muddy stagnent water.
You could be cast into the pits of Hell, and at least it would be better than home.
Cheer up, a Military Brig would be an improvment for you. All life will be better.
I left for 43 years, when I came to visit they started in where they had left off.
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That's the second most detestably reprehensible thing I've read about all day. (The first would be the sadistic manipulation your mother treated you with.) This is probably of little consolation to you, but I think that doctor is an insidious blob of coagulated excrement.
If you don't mind me asking, how is your health now? I found that I became generally happier after exercising for a few months. I'm no athlete, but a modest 20 minutes a day of weight lifting makes a big difference for me. I don't know if exercise would mitigate your problems, but it sounds like you're insecure about your physique. (Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, for all I know, you may exercise more than me.)
I have some advice. It's preachy and naive, but I'm going to say it anyway:
Find what motivates you and pursue that. Don't get stuck in your past. I say this because I kept getting stuck in my own past. My father did strange things to me that no parent should do. He used the cops as his own personal henchmen to resolve every argument we had. He simply portrayed me as some kind of criminal menace; a threat to their safety. I was just a little boy with a big voice, and an attitude. (Attitude is NOT a crime!! !) I suffered absolute abject humiliation before him, whimpering and pleading, begging him to not have them arrest me (for things I didn't even commit). He stripped every last sliver of dignity from me. I plotted and obsessed over how to get revenge for years, but it never got me anywhere. (He's in his 50s, so physical revenge would be like beating up an old man. If I were to wreck something valuable of his, he would get paid for with money that will eventually be mine.)
I finally stopped obsessing over my past and decided I was going to become the person I wanted to be. I stopped living for my past, and I started living for ME. I shaped the body I wanted (I decided if I was going to be treated like a menace no matter what, I would have the brawn to back it up), I started practicing sketching from real life again, I bought the clothes I wanted, and I moved into a new house. I even abandoned my old friends who belittled me, and got new friends who understand me; Interesting people with eclectic tastes in art and music.
I never got my revenge, but I became a more powerful person, with a stronger body, and more loyal friends, and if those who have wronged me in the past ever cross me again, I'll make them regret it before you can say "arctangent".
I think that happiness is knowing what you want, and knowing how to get it. (For me, that's drawing.) Your past is only a concern if it obstructs your path to getting what you want.
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A moment of brutal honesty from yours truly…
Your mother, sister, and brother are insidious threads that need to be severed. Genetics do not justify the burden of venomous relationships, and so long as they burden you, your spirit will continue to be poisoned.
Telling you to stop being an enabler is easier said than done, but once It’s done It’s effortless and gratifying. Unless these destructive people are supporting you financially, you have absolutely no responsibility maintain dealings with them in any way, shape, or form. All you have to do is erase them from your address book, and stop trying to convince yourself that in some way you owe them. You don’t.
I think you’ve been a far better person than most to have put up with that manner of crap for so long. What’s more, if you continue to nurture these diseased relationships, what good will possibly come of it? Clearly your mother is a bit disturbed in the head, and she has created a monster in your brother. You can’t reason with people who are unreasonable. You need to ditch these people- they deserve each other, and you deserve better.
Yeah. Where I grew up we were right on the border with Quebec, and there are a lot of French enclaves just on the Ontario side. We used to drive into Hull, which is the Quebec side of Ottawa - the border is a river with several bridges going across. They had a lower drinking age, you could buy beer in any store at almost any time, and it was cheaper too. It was kind of like what Tijuana is for Americans. We used to head there when we were 16 and load up on pints, nobody asking for ID because they knew the store down the road would sell you some; why lose the business?
I'll say this about the French - there's a reason that joie de vivre doesn't get translated. Most wouldn't understand.
I had been out for about 10 years, and I had just moved back in with my mom in January, not feeling to good about it. It's only been in the time since I've been here that I've come to realize just how awful and soulless she is. I've been on the Internet nonstop, learning as much as I could about abusive upbringings and their effects on people. Honesty, I had refused to think of the things she had done to me, mostly because I couldn't believe that she could be so evil as to do these things. She is that and more, and she doesn't full know what I know, so I can keep cruising under the radar until the end of the year. Meanwhile, I'm poking and prodding, extracting info, putting the pieces together. I tend to be a night owl, so I can avoid her as much as possible, and when I do speak with her, I turn it around, dropping oblique references to things in the past, keeping her guessing and chasing her tail.
My friends were shocked by my behavior, except the Irish kid from Uptown. He understood.
Thank you. I didn't really know that anyone else did that. I never set out to hurt anyone that wasn't asking for it, but when I did hurt them it felt so goddamn good, like I was CLEAN, they were hurt and broken and I wasn't, vindication.
Wow, I really needed to hear that. We had a big falling out a couple months ago. She started getting really nasty to me for no apparent reason, just saying REALLY hurtful things out of nowhere, then denying that she said them, the "make you think you're crazy" routine with which all Irishwomen seem to be hardwired. She ended up attacking me physically over and over again, throwing things, and I would just take it; I'm f*ckin huge, I won't hit her back. The capper was when she snuck up on me and tried to kick me in the balls, and relfexes took over. I grabbed her foot and pushed her backwards, and she tipped and fell, hitting her head on the doorframe, concussing her. To her credit, she never tried to say otherwise, or spin the story to make it look like I attacked her or something; I don't think she even knew why she was mad at me, she was just generally mad and I was the one it was always OK to take things out on. She didn't know what else to do.
Perhaps they could not show you a better way, but they did everything to inform you of their life.
Clean water does taste better after living on muddy stagnent water.
You could be cast into the pits of Hell, and at least it would be better than home.
Cheer up, a Military Brig would be an improvment for you. All life will be better.
I left for 43 years, when I came to visit they started in where they had left off.
This is really awesome, I can't say how much I appreciate this. I didn't have any idea that someone else thought along these lines. It's just that I am not allowed to vent, and this is the first time I've really been able to do this. I keep encouraging others to do it, and if I didn't do it too, I'd be a hypocrite. That is one thing I will never be, as long as I can help it. I have no idea when I'm contradicting myself, I have to be told.
Says it all.
Thank you.
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I work out really hard every day; in fact, I have to watch pretty closely that I don't overtrain and lose fitness. I'm pretty proud that I can do the body weight exercises that I do, considering I weigh 225. I have disproportionately long arms which further adds to my mechanical disadvantage in this area, so it is saying something that I can do what I do. I was 250 this summer and NOT fat, so that might give you and indication of my fitness level. It's just this one area that doesn't ever tone up like I'd like it to. I can only mitigate things by building the muscle underneath and wearing black. Surgery is the only permanent solution.
Find what motivates you and pursue that. Don't get stuck in your past. I say this because I kept getting stuck in my own past. My father did strange things to me that no parent should do. He used the cops as his own personal henchmen to resolve every argument we had. He simply portrayed me as some kind of criminal menace; a threat to their safety. I was just a little boy with a big voice, and an attitude. (Attitude is NOT a crime!! !) I suffered absolute abject humiliation before him, whimpering and pleading, begging him to not have them arrest me (for things I didn't even commit). He stripped every last sliver of dignity from me. I plotted and obsessed over how to get revenge for years, but it never got me anywhere. (He's in his 50s, so physical revenge would be like beating up an old man. If I were to wreck something valuable of his, he would get paid for with money that will eventually be mine.)
I finally stopped obsessing over my past and decided I was going to become the person I wanted to be. I stopped living for my past, and I started living for ME. I shaped the body I wanted (I decided if I was going to be treated like a menace no matter what, I would have the brawn to back it up), I started practicing sketching from real life again, I bought the clothes I wanted, and I moved into a new house. I even abandoned my old friends who belittled me, and got new friends who understand me; Interesting people with eclectic tastes in art and music.
I never got my revenge, but I became a more powerful person, with a stronger body, and more loyal friends, and if those who have wronged me in the past ever cross me again, I'll make them regret it before you can say "arctangent".
I think that happiness is knowing what you want, and knowing how to get it. (For me, that's drawing.) Your past is only a concern if it obstructs your path to getting what you want.
I saw my dad after 10 years of estrangement, and I'm not sure what happened. I had drunk an entire 40oz bottle of Captain Morgan save the for last four inches and drove to his house, and he looked really crappy. He was all white hair, skinny and flabby, not the man I remembered. It didn't go too good, and the last thing I remember is two girls riding up on horses, wondering why I was taking swigs of rum straight from the bottle at 10:30 in the morning, yelling nonsense. That was too much to handle so I drove off, I don't know how I made it home with that much booze in me; I was keeping the pedal planted because I could only keep the car from weaving if it went fast, like 105 fast. I don't drink around many other people or vehicles anymore.
I had always thought of killing him, then phoning the cops so they could take me away. I would never have to worry for the next 20 years about a job, rent, bills, licences, just about staying alive like I always did. I would run any goddamn prison they sent me to within a week, trust me. That's easy for me, crises are easy, chaos and violence is easy. The mundane is impossible.
Thank you, I appreciate your words.
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Like I would expect anything less.
Telling you to stop being an enabler is easier said than done, but once It’s done It’s effortless and gratifying. Unless these destructive people are supporting you financially, you have absolutely no responsibility maintain dealings with them in any way, shape, or form. All you have to do is erase them from your address book, and stop trying to convince yourself that in some way you owe them. You don’t.
I really appreciate this. I like that you aren't afraid of pissing me off, saying what needs to be said. You might be only 95 pounds, but its all guts.
It's so true - the "owing" is a one-way street.
You're right. It's hard to shed this kind of thought pattern when it's all you've known from birth. Being raised as an antichrist, a sin-sponge that is supposed to die and take someone's sins with them is a hard role to recognize you've been playing, much less correct! It wasn't until about 2 months ago that I figured all this out, and I have not been able to tell anyone about this until now.
It's weird, but people DO look at you and treat you differently once they know things like this have happened to you. As you can well imagine, I scare the crap out of people at the best of times, and when I've ever let on that anything like this went on I'd never hear from the people that I've told ever again.
I was worried that I'd have to leave WP after saying this, that's how hard it was to put this out.
I never knew there were good people in the world.
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Well, I think the first positive step you can take is to recognize the problem. Once you've done that, the solution tends to find you on It's own.
I'm no stranger to vicious-cycle patterns of thought. Though my home life was a bit unorthodox, it was healthy, but once I stepped outside it was like I was being thrown to the sharks, forced to paddle in the ocean against a storm on a rowboat with a hole in it.
I've been undermined since day one, and later in life I came to realize that my friends (at the time) were just as destructive as the people who were out in the open about their abusiveness. The only difference was that the former was destructive under the facade that they had my best interests in mind. Negative people do nothing to reinforce positive feelings, they intensify them until those feelings become crippling. There was a time when I genuinely believed the lies that everyone was spoon-feeding me. Even though I knew I was better off without them, there was still this paralyzing dependency on them, on an emotional and psychological level. I don't see this as any different than an addiction. You get so used to something that it becomes an unhealthy habit.
I agree that this kind of intimate knowledge changes a person's perspective. It's because of this that I think you shouldn't beat yourself up over venting here. This is the last place where you could expect to have your past used as a weapon against you. No one here has had life handed to them on a silver platter. It's only those who are truly sheltered that would dare stoop so low.
Lol, what's with all the Irish craziness? I suppose I should be glad I'm of Slavic descent- we're a very stand-offish, suspicious bunch!
You know what your problem is? You blame everything on yourself. Feel free to blow some steam, and scream obscenities about your family and life in general. You've earned it, and anger is a great motivator.
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There. You said you'd share it, and now you have.... I'm not sure I'll have anything worthwhile to give you in return. Right now I'm not able to translate what I'm thinking into words. Maybe I won't ever be able to... but if I am, I'll come back and tell you.
But I think you gave me something. That feels kind of awful to say, since you made this thread for support and I can't seem to give any. But I'm glad you're here and I'm glad that you're brave. In sharing, I believe you can help other people.
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I was worried that I'd have to leave WP after saying this, that's how hard it was to put this out.
Dood! You're so modest and self-deprecating. It's ironic that you express so much reluctance in telling your story, when it's among the more interesting stories I've read. Finals week is approaching, but if I can find the time, I'll have to read more on your threads. You perked my curiosity.
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