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21 Feb 2009, 8:58 am

Oh god. It explains everything. Everything. I can link pretty much all my issues (apart from a few social ones) back to this diagnosis. I took a self-rating and got 87/100:

71-100. Severely O-C. You are adaptive but quite uptight, insecure and driving hard. The closer you are to the rating of 100, the nearer you come to playing brinkmanship at the ragged edge that borders on exhaustion of your adaptive reserve and a slump into depression.

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx26.htm

Apparently (from what I've read) I'm doomed to a life of misery; making others and myself miserable, being hateful and hated, and depression.

I want to fix myself but everything seems to say that it's impossible and it's inherent in my personality; a.k.a. it's who I am and I can't change myself. :wall: :wall: :wall:


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21 Feb 2009, 9:35 am

Well I have anxiety and OCD, whether I fit into this category well, possibly. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

All I can say is don't try and fix yourself, all you do is give the perfectionist element in you more power. Meds has helped for me. Are you on meds sunshower?



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21 Feb 2009, 9:48 am

i_wanna_blue wrote:
Well I have anxiety and OCD, whether I fit into this category well, possibly. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

All I can say is don't try and fix yourself, all you do is give the perfectionist element in you more power. Meds has helped for me. Are you on meds sunshower?


Can't write.

I will resume if I come out the other end.


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21 Feb 2009, 9:56 am

I managed to stop myself from doing something stupid, so now I will write.

"All I can say is don't try and fix yourself, all you do is give the perfectionist element in you more power."

This will be a problem, because this is currently my only hope. There is nothing good about OCPD. I can't allow myself to live without any good qualities. Otherwise I would classify as a leech of life.


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21 Feb 2009, 12:46 pm

Once you are aware of a trait that causes difficulty for others, you can try to find a work around. For me, when I find myself about to begin a rant because my wishy-washy husband has suddenly changed the schedule for the flimsiest of reasons and upset my expectations yet again, I take a deep breath and remember that is my AS rigidity speaking. I make myself remember that nobody will die because of a change and that reacting the way I want to react is totally inappropriate and will make things worse rather than better. I take a few more deep breathes and try to self calm and usually do. I remind myself that my husband is not wishy-washy; he is flexible. I remind myself that he is a good person (which is true) and that he is always trying to accommodate other people and has more sensitivity about other's needs than I do. Therefore what he is doing is correct, and I need to get over myself. Then I can go along with the change in schedule and remain calm and happy.

I don't know if this helps you or not. But awareness should help you see what is going on better. Some AS people have friends or spouses that will use code words or actions to clue in the AS person that they are doing something inappropriate. Sometimes they will help you practice what you are supposed to say and do.

Myself, when I need to scream about things, I get in the car, drive to an isolated place, and then scream myself hoarse, pant a while, and then return calmer.



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21 Feb 2009, 12:57 pm

sunshower wrote:
I managed to stop myself from doing something stupid, so now I will write.

"All I can say is don't try and fix yourself, all you do is give the perfectionist element in you more power."

This will be a problem, because this is currently my only hope. There is nothing good about OCPD. I can't allow myself to live without any good qualities. Otherwise I would classify as a leech of life.


I'm glad you stopped yourself from doing anything stupid. I know you feel like it is your only hope but try, as I said before meds helped and if you're not on any maybe you should consider seeing a psych, and if they recommend it, take it. For the last few years, I have been a miserable wreck. Why? Because the entire day my thoughts are only focussed on improving this and that. Improve your fitness, and strength. Improve your skills. Improve your psyche. Little did I know that by being obsessed with fantastical/unrealistics benchmarks and expectations, I ultimately caused myself not to reach any point of worth.

I'm struggling to imagine why you would have no good qualities. I know for me my anxiety and OCD mentally seem to convince me that I am worthless, but deep down nobody truly believes they are completely worthless. It (GAD, OCD) seem to mask my good qualities but it does not destroy them. Trust me, you keep your OCPD alive by wanting a higher state of you. I'm sure you're fine and good just the way you are.



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21 Feb 2009, 6:18 pm

lelia wrote:
Once you are aware of a trait that causes difficulty for others, you can try to find a work around. For me, when I find myself about to begin a rant because my wishy-washy husband has suddenly changed the schedule for the flimsiest of reasons and upset my expectations yet again, I take a deep breath and remember that is my AS rigidity speaking. I make myself remember that nobody will die because of a change and that reacting the way I want to react is totally inappropriate and will make things worse rather than better. I take a few more deep breathes and try to self calm and usually do. I remind myself that my husband is not wishy-washy; he is flexible. I remind myself that he is a good person (which is true) and that he is always trying to accommodate other people and has more sensitivity about other's needs than I do. Therefore what he is doing is correct, and I need to get over myself. Then I can go along with the change in schedule and remain calm and happy.

I don't know if this helps you or not. But awareness should help you see what is going on better. Some AS people have friends or spouses that will use code words or actions to clue in the AS person that they are doing something inappropriate. Sometimes they will help you practice what you are supposed to say and do.


Myself, when I need to scream about things, I get in the car, drive to an isolated place, and then scream myself hoarse, pant a while, and then return calmer.


This does help, in fact it helps a lot. Thankyou.


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21 Feb 2009, 6:20 pm

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For the last few years, I have been a miserable wreck. Why? Because the entire day my thoughts are only focussed on improving this and that. Improve your fitness, and strength. Improve your skills. Improve your psyche. Little did I know that by being obsessed with fantastical/unrealistics benchmarks and expectations, I ultimately caused myself not to reach any point of worth.


Wow that's eerie, it's like you saw inside my head. 8O

The problem is that the thought of bettering myself gives me hope, and the thought of accepting myself with all my failings is unbearable.


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21 Feb 2009, 7:11 pm

My own realization that I probably have OCD was a major factor in subsequently realizing that I probably have AS, yet one psychiatrist in year 2000 even asked me what OCD was and claimed not to have heard of it before.



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21 Feb 2009, 9:05 pm

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My own realization that I probably have OCD was a major factor in subsequently realizing that I probably have AS, yet one psychiatrist in year 2000 even asked me what OCD was and claimed not to have heard of it before.


OCPD is very different to OCD though. They are actually often confused with each other, but the symptoms are completely different.

Although I very occasionally have an OCD episode, I definitely don't have OCD according to the criteria.


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22 Feb 2009, 1:54 am

Man's search for Meaning

It's not even in the category of "self-help" books, and the author never thought of it as a self-help book, but it has helped me and a lot of people that I've given it as a gift. Even a relative that is a psychologist thinks that it's the best book that he has ever read.


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22 Feb 2009, 3:01 am

sunshower wrote:
i_wanna_blue wrote:
For the last few years, I have been a miserable wreck. Why? Because the entire day my thoughts are only focussed on improving this and that. Improve your fitness, and strength. Improve your skills. Improve your psyche. Little did I know that by being obsessed with fantastical/unrealistics benchmarks and expectations, I ultimately caused myself not to reach any point of worth.


Wow that's eerie, it's like you saw inside my head. 8O

The problem is that the thought of bettering myself gives me hope, and the thought of accepting myself with all my failings is unbearable.


Well I suppose I have OCPD then. :lol: I know what you mean, bettering yourself seems to be a solution to a state of self rejection. Let me ask you this. Do you experience feelings of hope and worth, by planning a self changing stratergy in your mind? But thereafter find that you just can't fundamentally change (in mind/psyche)? I know this was my problem. I then became depressed and full of self pity. Thereafter, I would try and change again, and the cycle would continue. Sound familiar???????



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22 Feb 2009, 2:56 pm

sunshower wrote:
I want to fix myself but everything seems to say that it's impossible

Can you define a performance goal that says you aim for the perfect balance of tolerance to imperfection? Sort of a metagoal?



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22 Feb 2009, 4:15 pm

I think OCPD is a strange sort of anxiety disorder. The odd thing about it is that the goal seeking behaviours and rigidity are actually considered a logical behaviour in western society, as it is a Go-Getting, Ambitious society. I think people can develop these behaviours in response to stress but then it becomes hard for a person to figure out where their own true personality begins and which aspects of the personality developed in response to stress.



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22 Feb 2009, 4:34 pm

sunshower wrote:
RarePegs wrote:
My own realization that I probably have OCD was a major factor in subsequently realizing that I probably have AS, yet one psychiatrist in year 2000 even asked me what OCD was and claimed not to have heard of it before.


OCPD is very different to OCD though. They are actually often confused with each other, but the symptoms are completely different.

Although I very occasionally have an OCD episode, I definitely don't have OCD according to the criteria.


I don't think that I had actually heard of OCPD before, hence the confusion. I must look it up for comparison.