Does social class matter to you?

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I have never really been able to get the hang of this. Apparently ( in the UK particularly) , NT's place quite a high significance on classifying themselves and others by social order. This can lead to much confusion and hostility .

For example : I have a near neighbor who is in a higher class to myself . His family involved in politics . I am a painter and decorator hence of a lower class. If I talk to him and point out the logical inconsistencies in his belief systems , and strategy he becomes angry. He does not know that I examine similar systems with my friend and the some systems his family are using actually have been derived from my examination .

My friend enjoys this game, he does not. My neighbor keeps being very rude when I see him. He also pretends to like me sometimes in order to let me know by the end of the conversation he really does not. Once or twice he has tried to force me to act stupid, ie act my class with him. This may be indicative of a deeper NT attitude towards others doing jobs like myself. This had not fully occurred to me until recently.

I do not want to play pattern systems analysis with him , but I thought by hinting that I understand the kind of things he is interested in might make him more friendly. I am not sure If
I want to play this game for these people anymore anyway.

I like the idea of developing Stage Three thinking better. I do not like this class thing and I do not like PSA anymore.

Social class means nothing to me. All that matters to me, is that a person is a nice person.

No, I believe it really is an exclusively NT pursuit.

I don't understand.

Occupational castes or born guilds like in a Jaati-system, or just power echelons?

Not at all. It's the enemy. Think of all the brilliant people who never left the gutter because they didn't have the "proper manners" and you'll see why social class should be abolished. Social class automatically puts people with AS at a disadvantage.

This is a very complex area. I have had the good fortune to work alongside some "lower class" NT's. They do not possess the same abstract reasoning capacity as many of us do. They are however , "intelligent" in their physical tasks . They are also decent human beings they love their families and extend this beyond their own family and consider the rights and needs of others.

I do not see why they should be regarded as a separate social class to other NT's who manage them and treat them with less fundamental respect. They are expected to respond to those who manage them in a particular way, to behave less intelligently than they are, they are expected to accept untruths, poor wages and bad working conditions.

What is more the higher class NT's have spliced their memetic coding. When you ask them why
they tolerate this they reply with "we are all just pawns in their game of life.. this is the way things always have been.... there is nothing we can do about this".

When resplice their coding you find the higher class NT's have even built in a booby trap . The NT's can become aggressive or even violent if you are not very careful how you remove this strand of negative coding from them . ( Do not cut the "green wire") How cruel is this to memetically "wire" someone up to detonate when attempting to challenge an unfair system ?

I have never understood why "higher "class NT's do this to those they perceive as "lower" class . It is meaningless and cruel and they should be stopped from doing it.

Yes, I think it is so stupid. People are people. Just because you're born to rich or powerful parents doesn't make you somehow better.

This can get me into trouble at work because I don't "respect" that someone is a higher class than myself, or I don't know how to treat them and kiss their butts. I can't STAND pretentious rich people, and my workplace is full of 'em.

I think I'm beginning to see what all your memetic coding stuff means now. Interesting. And I agree, they (we) are programmed, and the programming panel is contained inside a booby trapped casing. For me, most of the programming didn't take, and I disabled or exploded most of the traps. Actually, I think the traps are less dangerous than they appear.

In us most of the programming did not take. It is not just thoughts but something much deeper
sublingual- sub any media - underlying the very structures that shape how we build out models of reality.



This is expressible. And perhaps explains our fascination with seemingly random things....

Why do we like staring at stuff, messing with numbers, painting, abstracting, watching the same vid over and over, what are our minds doing when we are doing that, what are we seeing ?

Level Three thinking will be a very good game. Would you like to play?

Yeah, it's something going on in the pre-speech parts of the brain, maybe reptile brain stuff.

Please explain level three thinking in very easy to understand terms. I'm sure I'd find it interesting if I could grasp it.

Maybe one metaphor is many of us feel like there always has been a glass wall between us and the outside world. Sometimes we look through the glass and see the world beyond. Other times we shift our gaze and see ourselves looking at our own reflection , looking out at the world.
we even find with practice we can do both simultaneously.

No glass.

Okay, so is level one thinking looking through the glass, and level two looking at the reflection in the glass, and level three doing both simultaneously?

Thanks for your patience!

No glass.

Moog , I'm not going to be ignoring you . It is Sunday night and I need to "play" with my imaginary friend. She is a left-over from my childhood. She was a robot , and now is a cybernetic piece of military hardware striving to gain consciousness on her own terms. She has had very hard week hates her job, dislikes guns, and has much to discuss with me.

Yes I am being facetious. But if I had half the chance I would give her an existence as well.

Okay, so what's the glass? A translucent structure that separates us from the world. But it's not literally that, so what is it?

And then you're saying no glass? That there is no glass? Or that the glass is something that can be thought out of existence? Or that it only exists in our heads? I'm at a complete and utter loss.

I enjoy talking to you Memesplice. It's like playing Captain Blood, trying to find the right symbols to have a fruitful communication with aliens.