What's the last weirdest dream you had?

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13 May 2011, 3:11 am

I had a bath with a guy last night.

Putting mugwort under the pillow really does give one vivid and extensive dreams. I also dreamed about mushrooms. I don't know why mugwort causes me to dream about mushrooms.


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13 May 2011, 3:42 am

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I had a bath with a guy last night.

Putting mugwort under the pillow really does give one vivid and extensive dreams. I also dreamed about mushrooms. I don't know why mugwort causes me to dream about mushrooms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_effect :wink:



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13 May 2011, 3:49 am

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Moog wrote:
I had a bath with a guy last night.

Putting mugwort under the pillow really does give one vivid and extensive dreams. I also dreamed about mushrooms. I don't know why mugwort causes me to dream about mushrooms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_effect :wink:


Eh, how is it placebo if using mugwort makes me more liable to dream about mushrooms? I haven't dreamed about mushrooms since the last time I used mugwort, which was last summer.


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13 May 2011, 3:58 am

Because you associate mushrooms with mugwort.



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13 May 2011, 4:12 am

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Because you associate mushrooms with mugwort.


The only reason I associate them is because when I use mugwort, I have mushroom dreams.


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13 May 2011, 4:22 am

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Because you associate mushrooms with mugwort.


The only reason I associate them is because when I use mugwort, I have mushroom dreams.

Bingo. :wink: The mugwort is a stimulus for the brain that has the concept of mushrooms attached to it. For example, whenever I play Final Fantasy 8, I recall the taste of nachos and the memory of eating them, because when I was in elementary school about 10 years ago I would often eat them while playing it. :lol:



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13 May 2011, 4:36 am

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Because you associate mushrooms with mugwort.


The only reason I associate them is because when I use mugwort, I have mushroom dreams.

Bingo. :wink: The mugwort is a stimulus for the brain that has the concept of mushrooms attached to it. For example, whenever I play Final Fantasy 8, I recall the taste of nachos and the memory of eating them, because when I was in elementary school about 10 years ago I would often eat them while playing it. :lol:


But how can you prove it's placebo, and not some effect of the herb? I only just made the connection. And last year I thought I was just having a rash of dreams about mushrooms, but I was using mugwort at the time.


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13 May 2011, 4:45 am

Long answer: Do scientific tests administered by a third party. Use mugwort and a mugwort look-alike, but the subject can't know which is real and which is fake. If the subject displays the same effects for the real plant as the fake (preferable a synthetic material), then it's the placebo effect.

Short answer: Alchemy is pseudoscience, like astrology, numerology, graphology, and so on, and thus has no extraordinary effect on you.



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13 May 2011, 4:50 am

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Long answer: Do scientific tests administered by a third party. Use mugwort and a mugwort look-alike, but the subject can't know which is real and which is fake. If the subject displays the same effects for the real plant as the fake (preferable a synthetic material), then it's the placebo effect.

Short answer: Mugwort has no effect on you anyway, like astrology, numerology, graphology, and so on.


Why would we expect a non mugwort plant to cause someone to dream about mushrooms, unless it was suggested to them? Coriander doesn't make me dream about mushrooms.

Do you doubt the effects of all herbals, or just this one?

What's graphology?

Astrology isn't meant to have an effect on you. It's a mapping process. Just like drawing a map has no effect on the terrain.


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13 May 2011, 5:18 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphology That's graphology.

The point of the test would be to prove that the effect of having dreams about mushrooms has nothing to do with the use of mugroot, rather because the brain has created an association between the two. The test would only work on you though, as you are the one that has dreams about mushrooms when sleeping with mugroot under your pillow. Now, if many people have mushroom-related dreams while using it, then that's a different story, and you'd need a different test, like testing with someone who had never heard of mugroot and had heard no stories about musrhroom-related dreams, to make sure it's not a placebo effect since they heard that other people have those sorts of dreams.

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Coriander doesn't make me dream about mushrooms.

Exactly. Just like for me, playing no other game makes me recall nachos, because only that one game is associated with it. (This example is kind of silly, sorry I couldn't come up with a better one; that's the first that came to mind :lol: )

There's no doubt that plants like cannabis, coca, the opium poppy, peyote, coffee, and others cause chemical changes to the brain, but that is very different from "alternative medicine", like herbology, homeopathy, and so on, which are based on folk tales and word of mouth rather than trials, observations, and proof of their effectiveness.



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13 May 2011, 5:25 am

Is coffee not an alternative medicine? Boooooo :P

I looked for clinical trials on mugwort, and they seem to focus on the wart removing properties, or putting them in the bath as a muscle relaxant. Nothing about dreams.

Still, I wouldn't categorise the effect as placebo until I had eliminated the possibility that it isn't and I can't do that right now.


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13 May 2011, 5:33 am

Moog wrote:
Is coffee not an alternative medicine? Boooooo :P

I looked for clinical trials on mugwort, and they seem to focus on the wart removing properties, or putting them in the bath as a muscle relaxant. Nothing about dreams.

Still, I wouldn't categorize the effect as placebo until I had eliminated the possibility that it isn't and I can't do that right now.

If you mean coffee the drink, then you could call it a "medicine", similar to how alcohol is called "medicine" by some. :P But the caffeine in coffee plants is a chemical which alters ones brain, which has been scientifically proven by much research. But when I said "coffee" I meant the plant, not the beverage.

Well there's your answer then. There's no talk of mugwort (I just now realized I said "mugroot" in my previous post. I meant to say "mugwort" :oops: ) causing dreams about mushrooms; it's all in your head.



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13 May 2011, 5:43 am

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Is coffee not an alternative medicine? Boooooo :P

I looked for clinical trials on mugwort, and they seem to focus on the wart removing properties, or putting them in the bath as a muscle relaxant. Nothing about dreams.

Still, I wouldn't categorize the effect as placebo until I had eliminated the possibility that it isn't and I can't do that right now.

If you mean coffee the drink, then you could call it a "medicine", similar to how alcohol is called "medicine" by some. :P But the caffeine in coffee plants is a chemical which alters ones brain, which has been scientifically proven by much research. But when I said "coffee" I meant the plant, not the beverage.

Well there's your answer then. There's no talk of mugwort (I just now realized I said "mugroot" in my previous post. I meant to say "mugwort" :oops: ) causing dreams about mushrooms; it's all in your head.


I don't believe that science and the internet knows everything yet. Just because clinical trials have not been performed on this particular effect of the drug, that does not mean it does not exist. There could well be some biochemical effect at work. Though I wouldn't rule out a purely psychological effect.


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13 May 2011, 5:50 am

I dreamt I got 4 numbers on the lottery last night.
Guess I'll keep dreaming!

I never have particularly weird dreams, I feel like I'm missing out here!


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13 May 2011, 9:38 am

I had a post-exam dream; I was in chemistry lab, and I was pouring copper sulfate out of a burrete; it wouldn't stop, and I drowned.


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13 May 2011, 12:49 pm

Moog wrote:
I had a bath with a guy last night.


rub-a-dub-dub, two men in a tub? that sounds fascinating.

Bath
To dream that you are taking a bath, signifies a cleansing of your outer and inner self. You are washing away the difficult times. This dream may also be symbolic of ridding yourself of old ideas, notions, opinions, and other negativities. Your dream may be pointing toward forgiveness and letting go. To dream that you are bathing someone or with someone [an aspect of yourself], suggests that you are seeking a deeper understanding of that person/oneself. It also points to your nurturing side, you may also be comforting yourself.
Bathtubs
To see orbe in a bathtub in your dream, suggests a need for self-renewal and escape from everyday problems. You need to rid yourself of the burdens that you have been carrying. Alternatively, it indicates your mood for love and pursuit of pleasure and relaxation.


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Putting mugwort under the pillow really does give one vivid and extensive dreams. I also dreamed about mushrooms. I don't know why mugwort causes me to dream about mushrooms.


Mushroom
To see mushrooms in your dream, signify unhealthy pleasures and unwise decisions in your waking life. Things that come too quickly have a tendency to disappear just as quick. Learn to appreciate the things you have. To dream that you are eating mushrooms, represent your leadership ability. You hold a lot of strength and power, though sometimes in ways you may not appreciate or be taking for granted.