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07 Jan 2010, 9:15 am

The question becomes, which takes more fuel, the steam engine or the engine that runs on gasoline and oil?
The steam engine might be the one that pollutes less.



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07 Jan 2010, 11:53 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The question becomes, which takes more fuel, the steam engine or the engine that runs on gasoline and oil?
The steam engine might be the one that pollutes less.

Particularly a nuclear powered one, coal is worse than oil as far as pollution is concerned.

BTW, I like the style.



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07 Jan 2010, 11:59 am

UrchinStar47 wrote:
Particularly a nuclear powered one, coal is worse than oil as far as pollution is concerned.

BTW, I like the style.


It depends on what kind of coal. State agencies create regulations limiting the use of coal that causes the most pollution in favor of "cleaner" coal found mostly in Wyoming.
Automobiles running on gasoline and oil create a lot of CO2.



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07 Jan 2010, 12:02 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
UrchinStar47 wrote:
Particularly a nuclear powered one, coal is worse than oil as far as pollution is concerned.

BTW, I like the style.


It depends on what kind of coal. State agencies create regulations limiting the use of coal that causes the most pollution in favor of "cleaner" coal found mostly in Wyoming.
Automobiles running on gasoline and oil create a lot of CO2.

Per unit of energy? I doubt it. And by what standard is that coal cleaner?



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07 Jan 2010, 12:13 pm

Here's an article about it from the NY times:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/28/busin ... gewanted=1

EPA has made air emission standards more stringent and they can be met with the coal from places like Wyoming, not the coal from West Virginia, Kentucky, and other places in the southeast. That's why you see the coal mining industry declining in that area of the US, but doing well out west.

The western coal is lower in sulfur thus creating less sulfur dioxide emissions.



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07 Jan 2010, 12:33 pm

I found this definition on a Lego related site:

What exactly is SteamPunk?

Steampunk refers to the science-fictional, man-made technological creations that pre-date their real-life counterparts. There are several variations of the Steampunk theme, which corrolate to specific eras in time. These include, in no particular order: Victorian/Imperialist; Western; Medieval; Renaissance (Sailpunk); and Fantasy (present/future/space).


When I think of steampunk, I think of:

"Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street", particularly the opening credits and The Chair.

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Many Hiyao Miyazaki films

Joss Whedan's "Firefly".


I find steampunk very appealing.



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07 Jan 2010, 12:42 pm

elderwanda wrote:
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So Robbie Rotten is steampunk!

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07 Jan 2010, 12:52 pm

Yes, I'm into steampunk. It started with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for me (the comic, not the godawful movie.) In the past year I've read _The Difference Engine_ as well as a couple of comics ("LoEG: 1910" and "Aetheric Mechanics") and watched "Howl's Moving Castle", "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" and "The Golden Compass." Right now I'm reading Michael Moorcock's _Nomad of the Time Streams_. I'm also fond of the band Abney Park.



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07 Jan 2010, 1:45 pm

I was told some of my art is steam punk. Which is awesome, because the person who said so loves steampunk and was saying it about the gift i made her. :-p


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07 Jan 2010, 1:46 pm

Not really too big into the "I made my computer look like steampunk", but I think steampunk themed things are pretty cool.

Fritz Lang's Metropolis for example (the original steampunk?), or Thief 2. My friend ran a steampunk D&D campaign once that was rather interesting.

I love cyberpunk stuff a lot, too.


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07 Jan 2010, 3:43 pm

I kind of am. I liked Tin Man and Girl Genius is fun, but I'd rather have an intergalactic ship.


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07 Jan 2010, 4:45 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Here's an article about it from the NY times:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/28/busin ... gewanted=1

EPA has made air emission standards more stringent and they can be met with the coal from places like Wyoming, not the coal from West Virginia, Kentucky, and other places in the southeast. That's why you see the coal mining industry declining in that area of the US, but doing well out west.

The western coal is lower in sulfur thus creating less sulfur dioxide emissions.

Figures, it's a typical mistake that regulators make. They are actually sending up more sulfur dioxide per unit of energy than they would if they used coal with higher content of sulfur. It happened in my country several decades ago, only we had to import the more polluting coal. :lol:



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07 Jan 2010, 5:03 pm

arielhawksquill wrote:
Right now I'm reading Michael Moorcock's _Nomad of the Time Streams_.


I like those books. There's another book which has an air fleet crossing the Atlantic to attack the States, quite similar in style to them, but I can't remember the name.

I'm not sure what it is that separates steampunk from works "of that era" - the technology of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, or the Land Ironclads or whatever, is equally romanticised, so I guess that the backward-looking aspect of steampunk is the thing that sets it apart. It's not just cool steam technology, it's intentionally archaic cool steam technology deliberately intending to evoke Victorian images.


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07 Jan 2010, 5:05 pm

UrchinStar47 wrote:
Figures, it's a typical mistake that regulators make. They are actually sending up more sulfur dioxide per unit of energy than they would if they used coal with higher content of sulfur. It happened in my country several decades ago, only we had to import the more polluting coal. :lol:

It's actually less sulfur dioxide because the Wyoming coal has only 1% sulfur content while coal in West Virginia or Kentucky has 4-5% sulfur content.



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07 Jan 2010, 5:07 pm

jocundthelilac wrote:
elderwanda wrote:
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So Robbie Rotten is steampunk!

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That's...er.... What the heck is that?

(I mean the guy, not the thing behind him.) Not my personal image of steampunk, but who am I to say? :)



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07 Jan 2010, 7:18 pm

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