Mandatory Abortion In Military Service?

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While the idea of forcing women to have abortions is deeply wrong, it is important not to fall into a trap with many people are mired in. This is the idea that "becuase you have not experienced it you are not fit to have an opinion on it". The it can varry greatly.

However the opening poster in this thread has come up with an idea which strongly offends my morals (a worse idea than most horrible ideas), and I imagine the morals of many other people. I would like to point out that the chinese communists have recently forced a woman to have an abortion which has quite rightly made many people angry (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... trage.html). I do not want this type of thing to happen again anywhere in the world !

What the hell, this is really offensive... As well as sexist, women don't impregnate themselves, it takes two to procreate in the human race, why should women be forced to terminate a pregnancy? I assume you are a male, OP, and that you don't understand what a woman goes through when she has an abortion. It is not just about getting rid of an unwanted foetus, many women suffer from depression after terminating, and I'm sure there are other health issues if an abortion isn't done properly as well, that can make conceiving later on in life very difficult.

How about instead of mandatory abortions, how about birth control? If more people used that, there would be far less abortions.

I would be much more worried about depressed or emotionally unstable women running around the battlefield.

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They're more about solutions, not the emotional implications.

I agree it is so wrong.

No one has said it yet so I guess I should. Abortion is a very emotional subject, especially for the woman. Everyone has their opinion on abortion but even as a foetus a woman can become emotionally attached to their baby. When they decide to have an abortion, either by coercion or after thinking long and hard and coming to the decision on their own, it stays with them forever. They will always think what if they kept the baby, raised it. They will never forgive themselves. I know because I could have had another big brother.

I'm mostly pro-choice (although I hardly think about it) because there are many circumstances when a woman can't have a baby. I'm not going to elaborate because people will start getting emotional, and you know how well I do with emotions. That was sarcasm.

This is a very sensitive subject, one that needs more thought than someone wanting to stamp out of life just so the military gets one extra soldier on the front line.

Oh sorry, Jasmine did say something about it. I didn't read her post properly.

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If a women is on active duty and becomes pregnant, with birth control available, the pregnancy is her choice.
If an individual makes a legal commitment and fails to fulfill the terms, legal steps are usually taken...you get evicted if you don't pay, you lose your marriage if you don't fulfill obligations, you lose your kids if you don't take care of them, you get fired if you don't do the work you promised and legally agreed to do...in writing!
So,a woman signs a 4 year contract to serve the Army, gets pregnant, cannot fulfill her obligations, which the Army trained her to do, at a cost of thousands of dollars, is given light duty, taking a job from someone else and putting him/her into a position they may not be suited for? AND the expectant mother gets fully paid pre-natal care, which WE the tax payers generously provide?
And she can't be expected to do her job afterwards, because she's a mother, or breast feeding,
so more light duty? No being sent overseas where she is needed? AND we (taxpayers) have to financially provide all medical and dental care for this kid until Mother decides to leave the military.....sounds like a scam to me!
How about women sign up for the military,legally agree,in writing,no pregnancy while in the service,or you are out.
No worries about what to do about the baby, because that former soldier is gone, dishonorably discharged with no continuing medical care.

Sylkat

I think that Sylkat is being a bit too harsh, while I disapprove of anyone who freely signs up to join the army and then by trickery avoids doing their duty. But I do not think that many women would have a baby just to get out of the army.

I think that rather than throwing all women out of the army if they have babies something else needs to be done, I think that they should in some cases be given the option of buying themselves out or they could have a sabatical for a year or so before going back to their role in the army. The woman would have to still meet the physical fitness requirements for their role.

As a women who is currently in the military, here is some quick advice:

Pull your head out of your a$$ and actually learn how "pregnancy" works when you're active duty military before making moronic assumptions.

It's pretty clear just how painfully ignorant some people in this thread are when it comes to military service. HEY KIDS.........just because you play "Call of Duty" doesn't mean you know crap about the profession of arms.

It is offensive. People that are pro-life catch all kinds of hell but you're advocating compulsory abortions for servicewomen which in my opinion is worse.


Most of military personnel are not infantry or armor and either way there aren't going to be any pregnant women on the "battlefield". Your whole view of the military seems to be pre-20th century. Military installations are more like cities than 18th or 19th century military encampments with pretty much all of the same functions and MOS's (Military Occupational Specialty) to support them.


Go visit an Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine recruiter and they can fix that for you.

If what I said is not true, please explain where I made an error.
The training of any soldier or military personnel does cost thousands, doesn't it?
All pre-natal costs and delivery costs and all healthcare for the child is paid for by the military, isn't it? If I do not have my facts right, tell me, because I will accept if I have written something that is not accurate.
Whether actually fighting, carrying weapons, patrolling or not, are women not removed from dangerous areas when they are pregnant?
Working in medical areas at the 'front', transporting supplies through high risk areas, Being part of maintenance crews in high risk areas; I am under the impression that pregnant women are automatically re-assigned.
If this is not so, I honestly want to know how unexpected pregnancies are handled by the military.
I am also under the impression that a female pilot will immediately be grounded when she reports that she is pregnant.
I will accept factual information from anyone who knows more about this than I do, but I will not apologize or change my opinion that a woman who makes a commitment, who makes a deal, who makes a promise, is as much under obligation as a man.
A promise is a promise.The military has a right to expect that promise to be honored.Four years (or more) education, training, healthcare,living expenses, given in exchange for 100% service and commitment in return. Our culture has effective birth control. I do not accept abortion as a solution for anything, in that I completely disagree with the OP, what I am saying is that if someone gets pregnant, unexpectedly, she wasn't using the pill, the patch, the implant, the morning after pill, or, if she was, at one time a serious career soldier who aimed at becoming an officer, reversible tubal ligation.
Extreme?
Military service is not a casual decision.People come home missing legs, missing arms, or in boxes.
If women demand to be treated differently than men then they do not belong where they cannot or will not obey the same rules.
I think that Woodpecker may have the solution, with the addition that the military has no responsibility for continuing healthcare for either mother or child.

Sylkat

Jesus Christ, not everything military personnel do is at or near the front lines of a battlefield! There are mail clerks, truck mechanics, and administrative personnel. Those jobs are easy to do right up until late in pregnancy, and can easily be returned to. When I was being trained in the air force, one of my classmates became pregnant just after boot camp. She didn't get kicked out or reassigned; she continued the course. You're also not thinking about the women who still have contact with the father of the child; they can get time off to give birth and recover, then get back to work while the father stays home to take care of the child. The military is not just a job; bases have many amenities to nurture the entire family, including child care facilities.

No. While I am pro-choice, it does not mean I am pro-forced-abortion. If you ask me, forcing them to do something as invasive as that is wrong. Also, as rare as it may be, pregnancy can and sometimes does result from rape rather than consensual sex. Should we force them to go through with an abortion in those circumstances even if the mother-to-be wants to have the child and possibly raise it under the assumption that she was "irresponsible"?

Dear Starkid, you answered my message perfectly; the example of someone who was able to fulfill her commitment to the military, and not cost the Air Force wasted training.
What I meant to refer to was highly-trained women who ARE in hazardous areas being re-assigned and sudden personnel re-shuffling required because of 'unexpected' pregnancies.
Am I right that you mean that an unexpected pregnancy causes a very temporary time off, not a permanent change in job duty?
For my information, what happens if someone does not have a husband who is able to do child care while she returns to duty? Bases have 24 hour child care for all shifts?
Can a new mother refuse overseas or hazardous duty on the basis of being a parent,especially a single parent? Does the military still pay 100% of children's health and dental costs?
How much, after the parent(s) leave the service?

Dear LiberalJustice, if an active duty servicewoman is assaulted, that is a crime,the perpetrator should be subject to military and/or civilian justice. Prison, and child support until the child is 18. If he gets a long enough sentence that he can't pay support, everything he owned should be sold and the proceeds go to the care of the child.
If a woman can do 100% of her job, can return to full duty, that is, I think, the whole point of the topic.

Sylkat

I also feel that it's a bad idea. A human life is a human life, and it should be protected no matter what.