What is the cheapest way to travel?

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28 May 2019, 7:47 am

in general it'd have to be thumbin' it, or greyhounding it. trains are nearly as expensive as planes these days.



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29 May 2019, 3:16 am

auntblabby wrote:
the cheapest travel mode is using one's thumb [hitching a ride from a stranger]. that is what i did as i did not know anybody to give me a ride. i see people on the road all the time with signs saying "need to go to portland [oregon] {from south puget sound washington state] so i am not the only hitchhiker. if one needs something better, there is still Greyhound bus service.
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I travel twice a year from Vermont to Louisiana to visit my family. I travel by Greyhound cuz it's the cheapest "safe" way to travel. It cost 2wice as much to fly or take a train. Taking a train actually cost about the same as flying.


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29 May 2019, 3:29 am

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auntblabby wrote:
the cheapest travel mode is using one's thumb [hitching a ride from a stranger]. that is what i did as i did not know anybody to give me a ride. i see people on the road all the time with signs saying "need to go to portland [oregon] {from south puget sound washington state] so i am not the only hitchhiker. if one needs something better, there is still Greyhound bus service.
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I travel twice a year from Vermont to Louisiana to visit my family. I travel by Greyhound cuz it's the cheapest "safe" way to travel. It cost 2wice as much to fly or take a train. Taking a train actually cost about the same as flying.

that was a great disappointment for me when i took a train once from flagstaff to washington state. it was actually more expensive than if i'd gotten a flight from sky harbor [phoenix] to seatac [seattle]. i don't get why train travel should be more expensive than air travel, and not less expensive :scratch:



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29 May 2019, 7:13 am

Buses are almost always cheaper. Try to get a window seat.

Hitchhiking is against the law, and is risky.

I wish this were the 1950s when many people hitched rides.



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29 May 2019, 7:45 am

I recall "free" bus rides. $10 to go to Atlantic City from Philly in the 1980s. They gave you a roll of quarters worth $10 to play the slots but you didn't need to do that, so the bus fare was "free"

Air fare can be cheap because you have competing airlines to drive the price down. Trains don't have that sort of competition.



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29 May 2019, 7:47 am

They still do that to this day.



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29 May 2019, 8:15 am

The reason why trains are expensive are that the cost to maintain miles of track is a lot. Roads have the advantage that with roads one has many many vehicles passing over them daily so the costs are shared. I am not saying aircraft are cheap as they are certainly not, but they dont have to maintain miles of steel rails... So though there is great maintenence costs and flying costs associated with the aircraft themselves, the actual running costs bring them close to rail travel.
Railways (I know far more about this from the UK perspective) really thrive when one needs to transport freight in bulk, especially when all the items are of the same type and are going to the same place. The history of railways in Britain stems from the transportation of various goods from minerals to perishables and in the past livestock (Livestock by rail was banned in the UK in 1958 due to fly shunting and hump shunting techniques used by staff who didn't care much for the wealfare of the animals which led to a protest).
Anyway... Nearly all passenger lines failed to make money even though ticket prices seemed to be high. The cash was generated from bulk transport of the freight industry. Origionally passengers would sit on top of the goods being transported or with the occasionalmpassenger only train, the convayence of passengers was more to promote the idea of railed transport then to actually carry passengers as a service.
Right round Britain throughout its history few lines were able to survive under their own merit if they were passenger carrying lines. The only real exceprion to this were railway companies that concentrated on running teains in and out of London, as London has so many people so most trains rarely run empty, so they can make a profit. The main issue being for the rest of the UK is that most of the time of the day trains run only about a quarter or a third full at best. Peak time trains are only a small portion of a much longer journey. I will give an example. Lets say I will run a typical train service from one point to another through many towns and villagss over a few hundred miles. Peak time of this service will be something like half an hour of its whole run. Due to peak time does rhe company run a longer train to cope, but the rest of the service runs at a big loss due to the extra costs involved in running such a long train, or does one run short trains that can make a small profit and leave many peak time passengers behind? And keeping extra trains running just to cope with peak times is very uneconomical, especially in todays marketplace where few train companies own their own trains.


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30 May 2019, 12:57 am

I would much rather take a train than fly. I'm on alot of meds & supplements & if I tried to take them with me when flying, the TSA would rape me & send me to guantanamo bay never to be heard from again.


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30 May 2019, 3:31 am

the worst part about trains is the nasty little hummers one gets on them esp. in the sleeper cars. my late parents got deadly sick after a train ride down the coast. oh, and they are at least in amuuurica, SSLLLOOOOOOWWWWW.



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30 May 2019, 6:54 am

What do you mean by hummers? I’ve never heard that described as a hazard of train travel before.



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30 May 2019, 7:22 am

AlanMooresBeard wrote:
What do you mean by hummers? I’ve never heard that described as a hazard of train travel before.

"nasty little hummer" is yankee slang for germs that cause illness.



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30 May 2019, 10:43 am

auntblabby wrote:
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What do you mean by hummers? I’ve never heard that described as a hazard of train travel before.

"nasty little hummer" is yankee slang for germs that cause illness.


I see. But couldn’t you also pick up a “nasty little hummer” on a plane, a bus or even a ship? I don’t think it’s a phenomenon that only happens on trains.



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30 May 2019, 11:09 pm

AlanMooresBeard wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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What do you mean by hummers? I’ve never heard that described as a hazard of train travel before.

"nasty little hummer" is yankee slang for germs that cause illness.


I see. But couldn’t you also pick up a “nasty little hummer” on a plane, a bus or even a ship? I don’t think it’s a phenomenon that only happens on trains.

the long train rides [like 3 days as opposed to 3 hours] increases the time/chance that germs can accumulate on a train. airplanes OTOH are cleaned and disinfected [per regulation] between each flight. 3 hours versus 3 days.



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31 May 2019, 7:42 am

auntblabby wrote:
AlanMooresBeard wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
AlanMooresBeard wrote:
What do you mean by hummers? I’ve never heard that described as a hazard of train travel before.

"nasty little hummer" is yankee slang for germs that cause illness.


I see. But couldn’t you also pick up a “nasty little hummer” on a plane, a bus or even a ship? I don’t think it’s a phenomenon that only happens on trains.

the long train rides [like 3 days as opposed to 3 hours] increases the time/chance that germs can accumulate on a train. airplanes OTOH are cleaned and disinfected [per regulation] between each flight. 3 hours versus 3 days.
I think we'll be just as likely to catch one on Greyhound for the same exact reasons as a train. When i looked at traveling by train, it took almost the exact same time as traveling by bus. I would expect trains to be faster.


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31 May 2019, 8:00 am

I travel a lot, internationally. 27 countries so far. And I can only do so within a frugal budget by doing such things as: flying off-season; visiting off or shoulder season when museum prices and room rates are discounted (and there are fewer ppl- a BIG incentive for me to go off season); getting an Air BnB which is typically cheaper than a hotel and puts you among the locals; grocery shopping for and then cooking my own food in the Air BnB kitchen: one of the biggest travel expenses is eating out. Buying transit passes esp in expensive cities (lookin' at you London); buying city passes that cover multiple sites and transit that individually would be expensive (the Costco approach to tourism). Walking as much as possible to avoid paying for transit or cabs (which can be iffy in some countries esp. developing ones).

All of this can be applied to domestic tourism as well, but most European cities provide better "costco" options than American cities.



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31 May 2019, 10:40 am

auntblabby wrote:

the long train rides [like 3 days as opposed to 3 hours] increases the time/chance that germs can accumulate on a train. airplanes OTOH are cleaned and disinfected [per regulation] between each flight. 3 hours versus 3 days.


Ok, I can see where you’re coming from. For people in the UK and the rest of Europe, that wouldn’t be a problem as there are no rail journeys on the continent that last 3 days as far as I know. Most people only travel by rail for a few hours at a time. Even you do take a longer journey, these rarely take more than a day.