LGBTQ Q for queer. Isn't that the same as "gay"?

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27 Sep 2019, 9:50 am

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In this case, Ez is seeking to add a little bit of levity to the conversation :)

I don't know why: but I prefer Ezra to Ez. Ez sounds like some monster-type thingee.


You can call me Ezzy. Or call me by my family nickname, Shea. Just don't call me late to the Harvestmath.

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27 Sep 2019, 9:52 am

A "queen" is an obviously effeminate gay male.

A "queer" used to apply to all homosexual males in the old days; stereotypically, homosexual males were effeminate, and spoke with a "gay lisp."



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27 Sep 2019, 12:23 pm

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I have NEVER heard the word "queer" used to mean only "eccentric" (in a non sex or gender related way).

Obviously "queer" originally meant "odd". Like "gay" originally meant "happy/carefree".

In the pre WWII era the parents of the Boomers grew up in effeminate men were called "queer". So by implication queer meant 'homosexual male'.

Then in the Sixties and Seventies new terms came into vogue. In polite company you called homosexual men "gay", and in rough company you called them "fa***ts", or "homos". "Queer" became quaint, and passe'.

So yes, you would think that "queer" and "gay" would be redundant words for the same thing.

But apparently, as I understand it, in the last couple years the gay subculture has repurposed the word "queer" to mean "bi curious", or something like that. So if you're in the know about the latest lingo it now means something slightly different from just "solidly homosexual". So it isn't quite redundant anymore. I suppose.
Queer originaly meant odd or ecentric that your right about.

Gay is not related to the english gay as in happy but the french gay as in girl,because Cary Grant was bisexual and used to say I'm feeling gay today.Meaning Im feeling girl today and thats where the term gay as in homosexual came from


Never heard THAT theory before.

"Gay" (derived from the regular English "gay", meaning carefree and happy ) had been used for a couple of centuries in English for men who were fops, or dandies, or were heterosexual playboys, and or libertines. So you can imagine how, mid 20th century, that meaning could have evolved into meaning a "male homosexual".

But I suppose that it could have been purposely derived from French, and used as a codeword among mid Twentieth century homosexual men, like Carey Grant, to talk about their homosexuality.

Who knows?
As far as I know gay came from Cary Grant but I could be wrong


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27 Sep 2019, 5:32 pm

I seriously doubt that Carey Grant singlehandedly introduced the term to American society. Especially since it was a secret code that he would only have used in private, and never used it that way on screen, or in public. He never went public with his homosexuality AFAIK.

And folks did not start using the term until long after Carey Grants height of fame in the Fifties.

But it might have been an underground code that was already current among gay guys of his time, and that was where he got it from.

A generation later in the early Seventies when homosexuals came out of the closet asserted their rights they may have latched on to the pre existing code term and repurposed it as a public label for themselves then.



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27 Sep 2019, 7:29 pm

I always assumed that as "queer", deriving from meaning odd, could be a catch all term of things related to the rest of the acronym in deviating from the "normal", but may not be so easily categorized. Especially since many consider things like gender and sexuality to be on a sliding scale, in a similar way that autism can be. I have otherwise seen a "+" added to instead expand it past, and an "I" to include "intersex" as a medical condition different enough from trans.


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02 Oct 2019, 9:55 am

They don't have an A for Asexual, or "Ace". Go figure.



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02 Oct 2019, 9:58 am

... or an "S" for "Straight" ... that seems kinda sexist to me.


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02 Oct 2019, 12:47 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
They don't have an A for Asexual, or "Ace". Go figure.


There are people who think that people who say they are asexual are really gay and they just don't want to admit that they're gay.

Asexuality is a spectrum. There are people who identify as asexual who do masturbate, but don't desire sex with people, for instance.