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18 Dec 2007, 7:26 pm

I believe in it, and I've tried a number of times and felt I was almost there, but something was holding me back... I just need to get over that hurdle. I think seeing energy fields ('auras') helps a lot... they seem to grow the more you focus on an object.


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19 Dec 2007, 1:28 am

I won't say these phenomena don't exist; I've never witnessed anything convincing of the sort, and I'm unaware of credible data that supports their authenticity.

Not unimportant though: "magical thinking" (where belief trumps reality) is a primary symptom of schizotypal personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder and psychosis.



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19 Dec 2007, 2:22 am

Okay.

I have the occasional prophetic dream, and it happens.

I dreamed of 9/11 three nights before it happened, then it happened.

Made me wonder if I was supposed to do something about it.

Spooky huh?


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19 Dec 2007, 3:34 am

Gamester wrote:
Okay.

I have the occasional prophetic dream, and it happens.

I dreamed of 9/11 three nights before it happened, then it happened.

Made me wonder if I was supposed to do something about it.

Spooky huh?


I've had prophetic dreams too, and I have a friend who's also claimed to have them, apparently he predicted a relative breaking up with his Girlfriend, before the relative even had even met his Girlfriend. I still don't believe in it.

If you'd shown the "amazing" result of putting two magnetes together to a bunch of people who had never heard of magnetism guess what they would have said about it? "It's magic!" Everything's magic until you understand it, then it's just really cool.


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19 Dec 2007, 3:46 am

Gamester wrote:
Okay.

I have the occasional prophetic dream, and it happens.

I dreamed of 9/11 three nights before it happened, then it happened.

Made me wonder if I was supposed to do something about it.

Spooky huh?

If you'd told anyone, nobody would have believed you until it had happened. I had a similar thing with the tsunami at Christmas 2004. I wrote it in my diary but didn't tell anyone because past experience has told me that people just laugh and say it's another one of my little 'weirdnesses'.

I will sometimes think about someone and then they'll call me unexpectedly in a few minutes, and sometimes I get feelings and images from things other people have been touching, although they don't always make sense to me. And I have deja vu quite regularly about people and places I haven't yet met or visited. It annoys me because I'll recognise the scenario as one I've already seen in a deja vu moment and yet still be unable to say or do anything other than what I did in the deja vu moment. Maybe everything is pre-ordained after all?? :lol:

I am interested in telekinesis as a few times in the past I've seen inanimate objects move by themselves, usually when I'm alone and upset in some way. However, I don't know if it's me making them move somehow, or something else, and I can't do it to command.

Rupert Sheldrake wrote an interesting book about animals who have a psychic connection with their owners and seem to know when they are coming home - my mum bought it for me after I'd been away in New Zealand for month and my dog (who was staying with my parents in England) got excited and woke them up at the same time my plane left Christchurch. It took another 26 hours for me to get home and my dog was unsettled and whiney for the whole time, so much so that they took her to the vets, thinking she was in pain. If animals can make a psychic connection, it's no surprise to me that people can, too.



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19 Dec 2007, 7:32 am

I have had two premonitions....

I would not however, call myself psychic just because of that.


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19 Dec 2007, 9:18 am

I believe in them, I do believe I posess them. I've seen ghosts and the like. I also have had pregognative dreams and vision. Many times crossed over people come to me in my dream and give me messages for their love ones. I feel like John Edward sometimes. But you can get used to anything I suppose.



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19 Dec 2007, 9:26 am

This cute guy will teach you how to start out with telekenisis - fun to watch - too bad he was under the weather - but still cute -

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvnbzGTHlUE[/youtube]


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19 Dec 2007, 9:33 am

Just to add to what he was doing there - the reason he was *missing* the hit was because you have to get the angle. Everything has an outer rim - every shape has one - so it's right there that you have to concentrate on its movement, I like to work with 3-d objects - and work with heavier materials. Personally haven't tried the paper - but looks easy enough. Try for yourselves.


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19 Dec 2007, 9:44 am

Macallan wrote:
Gamester wrote:
Okay.

I have the occasional prophetic dream, and it happens.

I dreamed of 9/11 three nights before it happened, then it happened.

Made me wonder if I was supposed to do something about it.

Spooky huh?

If you'd told anyone, nobody would have believed you until it had happened. I had a similar thing with the tsunami at Christmas 2004. I wrote it in my diary but didn't tell anyone because past experience has told me that people just laugh and say it's another one of my little 'weirdnesses'.

I will sometimes think about someone and then they'll call me unexpectedly in a few minutes, and sometimes I get feelings and images from things other people have been touching, although they don't always make sense to me. And I have deja vu quite regularly about people and places I haven't yet met or visited. It annoys me because I'll recognise the scenario as one I've already seen in a deja vu moment and yet still be unable to say or do anything other than what I did in the deja vu moment. Maybe everything is pre-ordained after all?? :lol:

I am interested in telekinesis as a few times in the past I've seen inanimate objects move by themselves, usually when I'm alone and upset in some way. However, I don't know if it's me making them move somehow, or something else, and I can't do it to command.

Rupert Sheldrake wrote an interesting book about animals who have a psychic connection with their owners and seem to know when they are coming home - my mum bought it for me after I'd been away in New Zealand for month and my dog (who was staying with my parents in England) got excited and woke them up at the same time my plane left Christchurch. It took another 26 hours for me to get home and my dog was unsettled and whiney for the whole time, so much so that they took her to the vets, thinking she was in pain. If animals can make a psychic connection, it's no surprise to me that people can, too.


Well here's your chance to overturn centuries of "truth", and at the same time earn tons of money...

"Debunker James Randi has offered a $1 million prize to any individual who can, under controlled circumstances, demonstrate any paranormal or supernatural ability. As of yet no one has passed the preliminary challenge." - Wikipedia

http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html

This is really interesting because a similar challenge has been made.

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/19/bo ... 0000-.html


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19 Dec 2007, 10:49 am

Interesting that out of the millions of people on earth who possess psychic abilities no body has taken the challenge. Well that may have to do with not even KNOWING about it. Till you posted it - i had no idea.

Anyway - just the word debunker gives me the creeps - first show me the money. Then we'll talk - you know?


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19 Dec 2007, 10:59 am

I would love to take it. LOL! My ability isn't something I can control. It happens to me, unfortunatley, I don't happen to it. 8O



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19 Dec 2007, 11:06 am

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Interesting that out of the millions of people on earth who possess psychic abilities no body has taken the challenge. Well that may have to do with not even KNOWING about it. Till you posted it - i had no idea.

Anyway - just the word debunker gives me the creeps - first show me the money. Then we'll talk - you know?


No, people have taken it, but they've also failed miserably.

This wasn't about you, it was a reply to Macallan. It had nothing to do with you, although I'd love to see you try it.

I don't have it, James Randi does. Anyway, stop stalling and do the test, so I can not hear about you winning.


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19 Dec 2007, 12:14 pm

I'm suppose to be psychic, in fact, very psychic. I myself am very skeptical that psychic abilities are what people say they are. I don't doubt some people confuse coincidence and chance to their own alledged "abilities." it's funny how people always seem so eager to decieve themselves, especially if they're tying to ascribe "special powers" to themselves.

I say I'm suppose to be psychic because I've been tested twice, once in a psychology study when I was in college, and at a later time by a parapsychology expert (who also had a master's degree in psychology). In both tests, which were quite different, I rated very high for clairvoyance, although each test defined clairvoyance a little differently. So I have my doubts about those results. I also rated high in other forms of ESP in both tests, but clairvoyance was said to be my strongest. Those results intrigue me, but I wouldn't put much stock into them. I mean, supposedly, according to one of these test, I'm "clairaudient." But how do you qualitify that ability? How do they know it's not just a combination of my synesthesia, eidetic memory and hyper fast deduction skills? In that case it's not so much me having "paranormal" perception of sounds, but a neurological advantage that I've intuitively learned to use since childhood by ordinary trial and error.

In some cases, like how I'm able to tell you some curiously detailed personal things about someone by only hearing a recording of their voice or them playing music - there is a strong intuitive part, but I am also aware that I do also go through a very brief and fast process of deduction that is unobservable and difficult for me to articulate to someone else. Another "amazing" thing I can do is called "clairsentience" - I can touch someone or something and "know" things about them I seeingly wouldn't know otherwise (paranoid people probably shouldn't shake hands with me :P ). I've also had several prophetic visions and dreams that have come to pass, and I have had many lucid dreams, sometimes where I learn something that I can later verify to be true. When I was younger it did seem like magic but I'm older and less guillable, and nor do I wish to be "special" in that way. So it's easier for me now to set my ego aside and say that while these things make for a neat "party trick," none of it is as paranormal as it may seem.

I also know, because I do have certain gifts that can be mistaken for paranormal abilties, how that "Oh wow, you're psychic!" reaction plays on a person's ego. I've caught myself wording my supposedly psychic reactions to be more vague and general yet sound convincingly "on target" and have learned how easy it is to fool people that way. Seriously, many people simply want to believe you, even if you're way off, and they'll unconsiously bend over backwards to let you be right. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. But the desire of the power that has on people, to power to amaze and dazzle, is very seductive, and I recognize that desire in pretty much every person I've met who claims to be psychic. (Another trick these frauds use to convince people is sheer passion - how intensely they believe in it sometimes convinces others too.)

Most of my supposedly psychic experinces I believe can be explained in more mundane ways. Some are definitely weirder and perhaps more impressive than others, and a little harder to explain. But I'm sure there's rational, non-paranormal explanations for all of it. I believe a lot will eventually be shown to be nothing more than mental perspective, suggestion and cognitive biases that color one's perceptions, both in the mind of the "psychic" and in the minds of the people who believe them.



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19 Dec 2007, 12:25 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
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Interesting that out of the millions of people on earth who possess psychic abilities no body has taken the challenge. Well that may have to do with not even KNOWING about it. Till you posted it - i had no idea.

Anyway - just the word debunker gives me the creeps - first show me the money. Then we'll talk - you know?


No, people have taken it, but they've also failed miserably.

This wasn't about you, it was a reply to Macallan. It had nothing to do with you, although I'd love to see you try it.

I don't have it, James Randi does. Anyway, stop stalling and do the test, so I can not hear about you winning.


When I said *you* I was referring to the general *you* not you specifically first person...But fine - let the guy debunk away. I think it really defeats the purpose of the whole concept anyway - I mean what IS the purpose if not to further along humanity and heal people - i think....and for distraction - though ultimately my own belief is that this is a jumping board for bigger things - like an apprenticeship...before the Real Work...


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19 Dec 2007, 12:29 pm

don't you think that the gifts are given to be used? like on purpose for the greater good? ever think about that...? what if we're all given specific gifts to help move consciousnessness to a higher space and place - and these are the tools that can actually help accomplish that...?


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I'm suppose to be psychic, in fact, very psychic. I myself am very skeptical that psychic abilities are what people say they are. I don't doubt some people confuse coincidence and chance to their own alledged "abilities." it's funny how people always seem so eager to decieve themselves, especially if they're tying to ascribe "special powers" to themselves.

I say I'm suppose to be psychic because I've been tested twice, once in a psychology study when I was in college, and at a later time by a parapsychology expert (who also had a master's degree in psychology). In both tests, which were quite different, I rated very high for clairvoyance, although each test defined clairvoyance a little differently. So I have my doubts about those results. I also rated high in other forms of ESP in both tests, but clairvoyance was said to be my strongest. Those results intrigue me, but I wouldn't put much stock into them. I mean, supposedly, according to one of these test, I'm "clairaudient." But how do you qualitify that ability? How do they know it's not just a combination of my synesthesia, eidetic memory and hyper fast deduction skills? In that case it's not so much me having "paranormal" perception of sounds, but a neurological advantage that I've intuitively learned to use since childhood by ordinary trial and error.

In some cases, like how I'm able to tell you some curiously detailed personal things about someone by only hearing a recording of their voice or them playing music - there is a strong intuitive part, but I am also aware that I do also go through a very brief and fast process of deduction that is unobservable and difficult for me to articulate to someone else. Another "amazing" thing I can do is called "clairsentience" - I can touch someone or something and "know" things about them I seeingly wouldn't know otherwise (paranoid people probably shouldn't shake hands with me :P ). I've also had several prophetic visions and dreams that have come to pass, and I have had many lucid dreams, sometimes where I learn something that I can later verify to be true. When I was younger it did seem like magic but I'm older and less guillable, and nor do I wish to be "special" in that way. So it's easier for me now to set my ego aside and say that while these things make for a neat "party trick," none of it is as paranormal as it may seem.

I also know, because I do have certain gifts that can be mistaken for paranormal abilties, how that "Oh wow, you're psychic!" reaction plays on a person's ego. I've caught myself wording my supposedly psychic reactions to be more vague and general yet sound convincingly "on target" and have learned how easy it is to fool people that way. Seriously, many people simply want to believe you, even if you're way off, and they'll unconsiously bend over backwards to let you be right. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. But the desire of the power that has on people, to power to amaze and dazzle, is very seductive, and I recognize that desire in pretty much every person I've met who claims to be psychic. (Another trick these frauds use to convince people is sheer passion - how intensely they believe in it sometimes convinces others too.)

Most of my supposedly psychic experinces I believe can be explained in more mundane ways. Some are definitely weirder and perhaps more impressive than others, and a little harder to explain. But I'm sure there's rational, non-paranormal explanations for all of it. I believe a lot will eventually be shown to be nothing more than mental perspective, suggestion and cognitive biases that color one's perceptions, both in the mind of the "psychic" and in the minds of the people who believe them.


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