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Lonelybonesey
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04 Feb 2008, 9:56 pm

you could be right not all fats are creted equally through. The best fats are poly unsaturated and mono unsaturated fats its healther for our bodys to break these down. Saturated fats increase cholesteral while research has shown that high density lipo proeteins reduce cholesterol. Do you have to watch your dietery intake for medical purpose?


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04 Feb 2008, 10:12 pm

I dont have any known dietary problems - im just obsessive really. Actually i have to be careful with avoiding things because of my OCD tendancies, it can take over and distress me quite badly- which certainly isnt good for my health. Its the unnatural things that really bother me - teflon being a prime source of dread over recent months - because they appeared and spread everywhere so quickly, often unchecked, and were simply not evolved to deal with them.

I started the egg regimen, because being a pescetarian i thought id benefit from some animal products so id have some cholesterol for building hormones and so forth. I dont know whether the 'good' cholesterols would achieve the same purpose? :? I suppose they must do, at least to some extent otherwise people with a life-long vegan diet would have noticeable physical traits from the lack of estrogen/androgens etc.

The trans-fatty acids and hydrogenated fats im pretty strict about avoiding, but i hardly eat any processed food nowadays so i dont tend to encounter them day to day anyway.



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04 Feb 2008, 10:27 pm

our liver makes all the cholesterol we need. We make cholesterol in our liver and it leaves the liver via the bloodstream to go to every part of our body where it's used in various ways, i wouldent worry to much about suplementing it unless you dont produce enough bile


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05 Feb 2008, 5:31 am

psych and lonelybonesey- what are your views on soya. I eat mainly soya milk at the moment as I am very odd and allergic and I like soya. But lots of people think its bad as studies say it changes your hormones and has negative effects. I only eat organic so GM isnt a problem but do you know of any other negative things about it or do you think its a super food.



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05 Feb 2008, 7:05 am

I also have an interest in nutrition. I believe that all bodies are different and can tolerate different things and people should pay attention to what foods their bodies find useful and what foods it doesnt like.

I personally find that sugar is very bad for my ADD tendencies and makes me moody and grumpy. I think I am hypoglycaemic.

I feel best when I dont eat sugar though now I am in the midst of a chocolate splurge.. oh dear.


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05 Feb 2008, 7:19 am

Lonelybonesey wrote:
our liver makes all the cholesterol we need. We make cholesterol in our liver and it leaves the liver via the bloodstream to go to every part of our body where it's used in various ways, i wouldent worry to much about suplementing it unless you dont produce enough bile


Oh, i produce enough bile, no problem there :lol:
Actually youve reminded me of a fascinating chapter on holistic therapies i read last year - describing how emotions can be mapped onto different parts of the body. When we say someone is 'full of bile', the emotional state were describing corresponds exactly to the area where bile is produced. Apparently lots of simple everyday phrases describe symbolic and literal truths without us realising.

I wonder how the endogenous cholesterol relates to the type you eat.. Ive never gotten deep enough into nutrition to look much at biosynthesis, i tend to pick up a few ideas each time, then my focus drifts into other areas.

I may regret saying this, but i have wondered sometimes if the 'tough' reputation scottish people might be related to their diet. Perhaps factors such as unusually high cholesterol/sat fats and low in other things might give them some more androgenic traits?



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05 Feb 2008, 7:32 am

I'm starting to eat healthier. I'm counting my calories, which is something that I haven't done, for a very long time. I could increase my water intake, but I prefer the taste of tea sweetened with Splenda. I guess that I could switch to decaffeinated tea. That way, It would be like drinking hot, flavoured water.


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05 Feb 2008, 7:36 am

lotusblossom wrote:
psych and lonelybonesey- what are your views on soya. I eat mainly soya milk at the moment as I am very odd and allergic and I like soya. But lots of people think its bad as studies say it changes your hormones and has negative effects. I only eat organic so GM isnt a problem but do you know of any other negative things about it or do you think its a super food.


Well i tend to avoid soya, but mostly out of habit to be honest. Initially because i was bodybuilding at the time, and wanted to reduce estrogenic effects from diet. I might have read about some environmental concerns with the farming methods, i cant remember really. There isnt any compelling health reason i can think of to avoid it completely, AFAIK.

But i do remember some talk a few years ago about how it might have quite the opposite effect to being estrogenic- people were suggesting that soyas phytoestrogens have a relatively weak effect on humans, compared to our endogenous estrogen. Yet they bind to the same receptors, making those receptors unavailable for the normal estrogen. Perhaps someone reading this will be more up to date :?

Im useing organic 'rice-dream original' as a milk substitute. Its enzyme processed (for sweetness), but the MSG-sensitive people seem to be happy with it.



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05 Feb 2008, 7:47 am

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I'm starting to eat healthier. I'm counting my calories, which is something that I haven't done, for a very long time. I could increase my water intake, but I prefer the taste of tea sweetened with Splenda. I guess that I could switch to decaffeinated tea. That way, It would be like drinking hot, flavoured water.


I usually raid the herb & spice rack to flavour my hot water, its a lot cheaper than those blended herbal tea bags you can buy, and you can experiment endlessly - curry-water, soup-water, pizza-water etc :D

Mostly i just stick to ginger & cinnamon though.



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05 Feb 2008, 7:49 am

I am a "nutrition fan", not a lover.

My primary obsession is with evolutionary biology (and physiology) so I glance at a few articles on nutrition in order to supplement my knowledge of physiology and as regards to the diet of our evolutionary ancestors.

My major interest at the moment is the mechanism by which our body craves food that contains nutrition that we are short on. For instance craving milk if we have a calcium deficiency, or spinach/red meat if we have an iron deficiency, or a craving for nuts if we need selenium etc... Have you come across any interesting articles sites relating to that? All I have found so far are sites that mention that it exists... but not the mechanic that governs it.

Back to the topic at hand, I am a big drinker of green tea. I have huge mugs that I like to fill to the brim (nothing but hot water) and two tea bags. Then a dollop of honey made from Karri (a native flowering tree of south-west Western Australia.) It is delicious maximus!

I haven't much else to offer, however. But thought i'd but in to ask for some links and to make sure this thread goes into "egosearch"



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05 Feb 2008, 12:33 pm

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All I knew was cholestorol+saturated fat=bad.


Yer its terrible isent it, all the things with saturated fats taste so good but its bad for our health so we are not allowd to have it :(


It's not that you can't have it...it's that you have to have it in moderation with other things. Ideally, a person should have no more than 20g of saturated fat per day, no more than 65g of regular fat [LOL] per day and no more than 300mg of cholesterol per day.
Heh...I love having a personal trainer for a mother...I get nutritional advice for free! :lol:


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05 Feb 2008, 2:07 pm

i don't like discussing food. i like EATING food :D
i honestly don't care at all how healthy something is. that will only get you all stressed and stress is a killer!
so people relax and enjoy eating!......unless you have some major weight or health problems



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05 Feb 2008, 6:27 pm

Rice Dream is lovely- the only thing my kids will eat cereal with.
If you like herb teas try this;
for any infections- Thyme (teaspoon in mug, poor on hot water) x 3 a day
for viruses try echinacea or comfrey made up the same
diuretic try dandilion
Do any of you like seaweed- i love it- my fave use is juice jellys made with agar agar. But i also like hijiki and wakame in all things savory.



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05 Feb 2008, 7:11 pm

lotusblossom wrote:
for any infections- Thyme (teaspoon in mug, poor on hot water) x 3 a day
for viruses try echinacea or comfrey made up the same.


synchronicity :o - i have a cold right now, and had just made thyme & rosemary tea. (without knowing thyme was good for infections)

Ive been meaning to buy echinacea this year but keep forgetting to buy any... - i use a south-african herb called sutherlandia to stave off viruses - After a year or two of never feeling seriously infected (despite all the early warnings) im starting to be convinced this stuff lives up to the hype - its even used for HIV & cancer, apparently with some success. Definately worth tracking down IMO.



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05 Feb 2008, 7:18 pm

I saw something on tv abou hour scietist have found the common cold in mice and it might hold the key of one day finding a cure for it. Imagine that :D


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05 Feb 2008, 8:56 pm

Getting older, i cannot eat what i used to. Nor did i know anything whatsoever about nutrition growing up. I find that i read labels much more now that i am to a normal weight. It makes a difference about what you put into your body. My take on is the less processing the better.
As far as High Fructose Corn Syrup.. ick. Its made from the cheapest corn available. Its in fricking everything and is a cheap form of sweetener. It is speculated to be difficult for a body to digest and just not very good for you. I try to avoid it, as it tends to spike my blood sugars. 'Try' is the active word. In fact, its probably a good idea to only eat it on occasion no matter who you are. I find that the more fruit i eat, the less tolerance i have for sweet things.
The more you learn about food the better for sure.