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30 Oct 2010, 1:38 pm

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Can't we find a good balance where we don't value a person based on appearance but at the same time warn them about their unhealthy lifestyles?

That's the problem right there. People who criticize fat people are not actually concerned about their health. Calling fatness a health issue is a very thinly veiled excuse for a lack of acceptance of fat people, and an excuse to intrude into their personal lives and let them know that they are unacceptable, and ultimately an excuse to bash them.

No one has any business commenting on anyone else's health. And neither does society as a whole. When is the last time you saw a person or an article or a public discussion reprimand a person who is not fat, but has some health issue, for not following their treatment protocols to the letter? You don't see it because it's considered intrusive and rude. Yet fat people are fair game for the rude comments of others.

Not to mention that there are many fat people who are in fact healthy. For some being fat is the normal state that is right for their own body.

The mentally ill?

I don't think he's talking about people who are healthy weight but carrying some fat.

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30 Oct 2010, 1:55 pm

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If you can't leave your house and your quality of life is so bad that your weight becomes such an issue, there's more going on then just 'eat better and get off your ass' can fix.

Only if you let it get that far.

Not many people do get that far, so using this as an example of what will happen if you don't intervene is misleading.

How was it misleading? My point was being overweight isn't a problem for anyone but it becomes a problem if they get too big which is probably rare. I don't know how many cases there are in the world about it.

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30 Oct 2010, 2:15 pm

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My size makes me feel powerful.

In what way?

It makes me feel strong and safe. I feel like a man. I've got big muscular arms.

Why do you ask?

I ask because I'm curious.

So, you feel strong because your size makes you feel masculine. Wouldn't working out have the same effect, while putting less strain on your health? Or is it more about convenience that you preffer to remain as you are?

Thats a pretty rude thing to say.

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30 Oct 2010, 2:22 pm

zen_mistress wrote:

Lecks wrote:

CockneyRebel wrote:

Lecks wrote:

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My size makes me feel powerful.

In what way?

It makes me feel strong and safe. I feel like a man. I've got big muscular arms.

Why do you ask?

Thats a pretty rude thing to say.

Thank you for backing me up. People don't seem to get that a healthy body image means something different to each person. I come here to speak my mind. Not to be attacked by members who don't understand anything about me and my role model.

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30 Oct 2010, 2:34 pm

League_Girl wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Lecks wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

If you can't leave your house and your quality of life is so bad that your weight becomes such an issue, there's more going on then just 'eat better and get off your ass' can fix.

Only if you let it get that far.

Not many people do get that far, so using this as an example of what will happen if you don't intervene is misleading.

I know, which is why that comment was directed towards Lecks.

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30 Oct 2010, 2:36 pm

zen_mistress wrote:

Lecks wrote:

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My size makes me feel powerful.

In what way?

It makes me feel strong and safe. I feel like a man. I've got big muscular arms.

Why do you ask?

Thats a pretty rude thing to say.

It's a valid question. Is there a reason CockneyRebel prefers to be overweight as opposed to working out?

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30 Oct 2010, 2:36 pm

I've gone on enough. I won't add any more to this thread. I've stated my case. You know where I stand.

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30 Oct 2010, 2:40 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:

bee33 wrote:

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Can't we find a good balance where we don't value a person based on appearance but at the same time warn them about their unhealthy lifestyles?

The mentally ill?

Yes, and that's intrusive and rude too, though it's a slightly different issue because people who are severely mentally ill aren't always in control of their own judgment.

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30 Oct 2010, 3:34 pm

Why do celebrities want to look thin anyway? Who actually came up with the whole idea of trying to be thin anyway?

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30 Oct 2010, 5:57 pm

jc6chan wrote:

Why do celebrities want to look thin anyway? Who actually came up with the whole idea of trying to be thin anyway?

Twiggy? Anyway, it's probably because it's difficult and indicative of being above average. Like how in the Victorian era, pale women were considered beautiful. It carries to other things, like, again, in the Victorian era, how a stay-at-home housewife was considered ideal probably because most women had to work. Just as being fat was once valued because it was so hard.

This amused me: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/hick0247/engl1501w/

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30 Oct 2010, 7:06 pm

The epidemic of obesity is horrible... 1 in 3 people will have diabetes in the US by 2050*. How can we change this path ? Easy. I've never been obese or "fat' but to better improve my health, I discontinued drinking soda. I eliminated tv dinners from my diet, I no longer eat candy .. easy, simple things .. but yet alot of society turns a blind eye and become ignorant, fueling the fire and not compromising their health for the better.

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30 Oct 2010, 7:28 pm

alcohol consumption costs the health care system far more than obesity does, yet drinkers get a free ride.

i've yet to hear a sufficient explanation as to why it is okay to drink alcohol, but not okay to be fat. if it's really just about health and money, why is drinking okay? this makes absolutely no sense. in fact, alcohol consumption can even cause obesity!

please note: i drink alcohol. AND i eat cheetos. but i just can't see why one of these things is demonized whereas the other is considered acceptable. this proves to me that it really isn't about money or health - it's about finding easy reasons to judge people.

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30 Oct 2010, 7:36 pm

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I'd blame saturated fats, trans fat, high fructose corn syrup .. even cigarettes more than alcohol. The doctors won't tell you that if you stop smoking, you'll cut your risk of getting a heart attack by 50% in the first year. Also, one glass of wine a day is actually beneficial to your health, some might say even appropriate amount of beer is too.

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30 Oct 2010, 7:41 pm

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nope. get it straight and check your stats:

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Annual health care expenditures for alcohol-related problems amount to $22.5 billion. The total cost of alcohol problems is $175.9 billion a year (compared to $114.2 billion for other drug problems and $137 billion for smoking)

http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_p ... _costs.htm

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The annual healthcare cost of obesity in the US has doubled in less than a decade and may be as high as 147 billion dollars a year says new government-sponsored research.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158948.php

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30 Oct 2010, 7:52 pm

I no longer drink soda and almost never eat candy, either. Still fat.

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30 Oct 2010, 10:31 pm

mechanicalgirl39 wrote:

I have the opposite problem. I'm 5'7 and only 53kg, and everyone and their dog feels the need to bother me about it. It isn't from a health problem. It runs in my family; my sister was only 7 stone (about 46kg I think) until age 20.

I just love (sarcasm) how in society's eyes, it's okay to be fat, even if it's not from a health problem or slow metabolism and no one is allowed to even joke about it, but if you're thin, you are fair game from all freaking directions. People either b***h openly at you because they'd like to be only 53kg themselves, or act all concerned as if you were anorexic. I actually had a friend (who, coincidentally, had huge self esteem issues because she was actually a normal weight rather than having visible connective tissue) tell me she was worried about me because I was so thin. Or come up to you in the supermarket and lecture you for lifting your own damn shopping because 'a light girl like you shouldn't be lifting 12 kilograms'.

Oh, and I'm doubly wrong for being thin and having muscle. 'You look like a guy' 'your muscles look creepy' etc. You're supposed to be thin, but look soft and smooth (how do you actually do that?), and have size H breasts.

I f***ing hate so called 'normal' people sometimes.

I saw an olympic sprinter being interviewed on TV, a slim athletic girl.. She said once when she was at the football someone had a go at her because she was eating a meat pie with a bottle of coca cola.( standard football food).

" a light girl shouldn't be lifting 12 kgs?" has that person ever watched women's weightlifting?.

THere are light girls that lift way more then that. sheesh.

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