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25 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm

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On a case-by-case basis it seems worse.
The flu has certainly killed more and infected more, but it's also had much longer to do so.


Well I was saying annually. And annually meaning annual flu season. Especially flu season at its peak. Which is Jan-Feb from what I read. I think with covid-19 there are a lot of unreported cases because either it is asymptomatic or mild enough that people don't see a doctor. So I think the official number is probably a lot lower than it should be because of that. And if that is the case then it is not as deadly as it looks when comparing the number of known cases to the number of deaths to get a percentage. Maybe it is really more like 5 million cases vs 20,000 deaths rather than 1/2 million cases vs 20,000 deaths.


I don't disagree with the idea that we really don't know the extent of this at the moment which makes it hard to generate accurate statistics. That said, some places have a much better understanding of how the outbreak looks in their country due to higher rates of testing.

That thing about undiagnosed/unreported mild cases would be true of influenza as well though. Someone who develops a mild cold, whether it's this corona strain or an influenza strain or one of the other handful of things that cause colds probably won't look into what caused it. The difference is that a person who passes that corona virus strain on seems to be more likely to cause severe issues for at least a portion of those infected (even if it's only 5 or 10x instead of 30x).

There's a possibility I might have it. I haven't pursued testing but I've got a pneumonia, muscle cramps and a fever. I don't have the energy to go to the hospital, even though obviously cost isn't the issue. I don't want to make anyone share a car with me to get me there, so it's easier to just stay home and watch videos/clean my room.

Feel free to include me in a death pool. :skull:


It's too bad there's not a home test kit that can transmit the results.



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25 Mar 2020, 10:46 pm

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There's a possibility I might have it. I haven't pursued testing but I've got a pneumonia, muscle cramps and a fever. I don't have the energy to go to the hospital, even though obviously cost isn't the issue. I don't want to make anyone share a car with me to get me there, so it's easier to just stay home and watch videos/clean my room.


How long have you had symptoms, and what's your temperature?


I could tell I was becoming sick last Wednesday (malaise), I was starting to show other symptoms by Friday. I haven't checked my temperature since Sunday. I'm not too worried, worse case scenario is that I've suddenly got nothing to worry about.


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26 Mar 2020, 1:42 am

funeralxempire wrote:
There's a possibility I might have it. I haven't pursued testing but I've got a pneumonia, muscle cramps and a fever. I don't have the energy to go to the hospital, even though obviously cost isn't the issue. I don't want to make anyone share a car with me to get me there, so it's easier to just stay home and watch videos/clean my room.

Feel free to include me in a death pool. :skull:

Sorry

You should at least call your primary care physician/GP or go to a local urgent care center and describe your symptoms. Pneumonia if that is what you really have requires hospitalization. It sucks being hospitalized but you don't want to chance it getting worse and you're gasping for air and the hospital has run out of ventilators and beds.


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26 Mar 2020, 1:48 am

There have been a few people on WP saying they think they have covid but are not getting it tested. Gotta wonder how many unregistered cases there are around the world.

Likely considerably more than what shows up on the world meter which still hasn't gone past 500k. How can a highly contagious virus have less than 500k cases worldwide even with lockdowns?



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26 Mar 2020, 12:34 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
There's a possibility I might have it. I haven't pursued testing but I've got a pneumonia, muscle cramps and a fever. I don't have the energy to go to the hospital, even though obviously cost isn't the issue. I don't want to make anyone share a car with me to get me there, so it's easier to just stay home and watch videos/clean my room.

Feel free to include me in a death pool. :skull:

Sorry

You should at least call your primary care physician/GP or go to a local urgent care center and describe your symptoms. Pneumonia if that is what you really have requires hospitalization. It sucks being hospitalized but you don't want to chance it getting worse and you're gasping for air and the hospital has run out of ventilators and beds.


Pneumonia doesn't always require hospitalisation. My brother got it several years ago and went to the doctor, who gave him the diagnosis, and they sent him home instead of to the hospital. He recovered pretty quickly once he got on antibiotics and never needed to go back in except for follow-up appointments. But still, probably a good idea to call your doctor's office and see if they want you to come in based on your symptoms.


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26 Mar 2020, 3:26 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
There's a possibility I might have it. I haven't pursued testing but I've got a pneumonia, muscle cramps and a fever. I don't have the energy to go to the hospital, even though obviously cost isn't the issue. I don't want to make anyone share a car with me to get me there, so it's easier to just stay home and watch videos/clean my room.

Feel free to include me in a death pool. :skull:

Sorry

You should at least call your primary care physician/GP or go to a local urgent care center and describe your symptoms. Pneumonia if that is what you really have requires hospitalization. It sucks being hospitalized but you don't want to chance it getting worse and you're gasping for air and the hospital has run out of ventilators and beds.


My life isn't worth anything to me, so either result would be an improvement.

I get pneumonia at least once a year, I get bronchitis basically every time I get a cold. I don't go to the hospital over them unless I'm blueish (from cyanosis).


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26 Mar 2020, 4:05 pm

It’s pretty damn much more serious than the “regular flu.”

15% have to be hospitalized. 5% need intensive care. You don’t get that with the “regular” flu.



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27 Mar 2020, 1:20 pm

Covid is much more serious



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27 Mar 2020, 1:56 pm

It is far, far, worse. People who look at the death rates of only COVID19 don't get it. When healthcare systems are completely overrun by COVID19, the death rates for EVERY other health problem skyrockets because patients cannot access care that they otherwise would be able to do. Heart attacks, car accidents, cancer patients, and everything else. Those in denial choose to be willfully ignorant of the status of healthcare systems in parts of the world where this virus is out of control(which will soon enough be the case everywhere).



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28 Mar 2020, 9:53 pm

So far the number of coronavirus cases is way way behind the other things that put people in the hospital.

The big medical center I went to in the Seattle area a few days ago was practically empty. Staff were twiddling their thumbs.



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28 Mar 2020, 10:13 pm

Well as of now there's not too many deaths for coronavirus right now in America. However we need to understand that the death rate for coronavirus worldwide is 4.6 percent.That's even higher death than that of Spanish flu of very late 1910s which had rough a 2.5% death rate. There's some places that getting hit really hard such as Italy,which has a 10% death rate from coronavirus. What's alarming for the U.S is that we are adding 10,000+ cases per day,and we led the world with the most Coronavirus cases by over 30,000.I'm also concerned about Hospitals across the Country being overrun.For people under 40,we likely going be fine,however the elderly(those over 65),those with comprised immune system,and those with other pre existing heath problems might have more suffer from more serious conditions from this pandemic.



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28 Mar 2020, 10:32 pm

My guess is that back in 1918 a much smaller portion of the population were seniors, and many people in general lived their life in the same community - so there was less transmission.



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29 Mar 2020, 12:46 am

rick42 wrote:
Well as of now there's not too many deaths for coronavirus right now in America. However we need to understand that the death rate for coronavirus worldwide is 4.6 percent.That's even higher death than that of Spanish flu of very late 1910s which had rough a 2.5% death rate. There's some places that getting hit really hard such as Italy,which has a 10% death rate from coronavirus. What's alarming for the U.S is that we are adding 10,000+ cases per day,and we led the world with the most Coronavirus cases by over 30,000.I'm also concerned about Hospitals across the Country being overrun.For people under 40,we likely going be fine,however the elderly(those over 65),those with comprised immune system,and those with other pre existing heath problems might have more suffer from more serious conditions from this pandemic.


Don't you think that it is unlikely that a highly contagious 2019 pandemic virus has supposedly only infected 664,103 worldwide, when the 2009 H1N1 pandemic infected 60,800,000 in just the United States?

The death rate is so high because the case numbers are so unrealistically low.



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29 Mar 2020, 3:58 am

It depends on which flu and location.

Right now in New York because of newness, so many ways of transmission and unpreparedness it is more serious than your usual flu. In the long run it might be less serious but at this moment more serious.

It will probably never get like 1918 because of knowledge and conditions were so much worse then.


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29 Mar 2020, 7:33 am

I am not a doctor but maybe coronovirus is similar to the flu

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29 Mar 2020, 5:53 pm

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
I am not a doctor but maybe coronovirus is similar to the flu

"Much Ado about nothing"

Overreaction

Pandemic pandemonium

Precious lil "people" overreacted about wildfires, y2k, earthquake, tornado


It's easy to pretend people are over-reacting to a problem that hasn't personally affected you.


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