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19 Dec 2007, 12:32 pm

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Just to add to what he was doing there - the reason he was *missing* the hit was because you have to get the angle. Everything has an outer rim - every shape has one - so it's right there that you have to concentrate on its movement, I like to work with 3-d objects - and work with heavier materials. Personally haven't tried the paper - but looks easy enough. Try for yourselves.


Ok I just watched the video and it was AMAZING, wow. :o

Yeah, it was amazing that he actually thought he was performing Telekenesis, you could tell it was actually air moving the paper around, which was only helped by the way that he folded the paper.


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19 Dec 2007, 12:40 pm

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I'm suppose to be psychic, in fact, very psychic. I myself am very skeptical that psychic abilities are what people say they are. I don't doubt some people confuse coincidence and chance to their own alledged "abilities." it's funny how people always seem so eager to decieve themselves, especially if they're tying to ascribe "special powers" to themselves.

I say I'm suppose to be psychic because I've been tested twice, once in a psychology study when I was in college, and at a later time by a parapsychology expert (who also had a master's degree in psychology). In both tests, which were quite different, I rated very high for clairvoyance, although each test defined clairvoyance a little differently. So I have my doubts about those results. I also rated high in other forms of ESP in both tests, but clairvoyance was said to be my strongest. Those results intrigue me, but I wouldn't put much stock into them. I mean, supposedly, according to one of these test, I'm "clairaudient." But how do you qualitify that ability? How do they know it's not just a combination of my synesthesia, eidetic memory and hyper fast deduction skills? In that case it's not so much me having "paranormal" perception of sounds, but a neurological advantage that I've intuitively learned to use since childhood by ordinary trial and error.

In some cases, like how I'm able to tell you some curiously detailed personal things about someone by only hearing a recording of their voice or them playing music - there is a strong intuitive part, but I am also aware that I do also go through a very brief and fast process of deduction that is unobservable and difficult for me to articulate to someone else. Another "amazing" thing I can do is called "clairsentience" - I can touch someone or something and "know" things about them I seeingly wouldn't know otherwise (paranoid people probably shouldn't shake hands with me :P ). I've also had several prophetic visions and dreams that have come to pass, and I have had many lucid dreams, sometimes where I learn something that I can later verify to be true. When I was younger it did seem like magic but I'm older and less guillable, and nor do I wish to be "special" in that way. So it's easier for me now to set my ego aside and say that while these things make for a neat "party trick," none of it is as paranormal as it may seem.

I also know, because I do have certain gifts that can be mistaken for paranormal abilties, how that "Oh wow, you're psychic!" reaction plays on a person's ego. I've caught myself wording my supposedly psychic reactions to be more vague and general yet sound convincingly "on target" and have learned how easy it is to fool people that way. Seriously, many people simply want to believe you, even if you're way off, and they'll unconsiously bend over backwards to let you be right. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. But the desire of the power that has on people, to power to amaze and dazzle, is very seductive, and I recognize that desire in pretty much every person I've met who claims to be psychic. (Another trick these frauds use to convince people is sheer passion - how intensely they believe in it sometimes convinces others too.)

Most of my supposedly psychic experinces I believe can be explained in more mundane ways. Some are definitely weirder and perhaps more impressive than others, and a little harder to explain. But I'm sure there's rational, non-paranormal explanations for all of it. I believe a lot will eventually be shown to be nothing more than mental perspective, suggestion and cognitive biases that color one's perceptions, both in the mind of the "psychic" and in the minds of the people who believe them.


Dude you're stealing my angle!

Sheesh. :roll:


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19 Dec 2007, 12:47 pm

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Interesting that out of the millions of people on earth who possess psychic abilities no body has taken the challenge. Well that may have to do with not even KNOWING about it. Till you posted it - i had no idea.

Anyway - just the word debunker gives me the creeps - first show me the money. Then we'll talk - you know?


No, people have taken it, but they've also failed miserably.

This wasn't about you, it was a reply to Macallan. It had nothing to do with you, although I'd love to see you try it.

I don't have it, James Randi does. Anyway, stop stalling and do the test, so I can not hear about you winning.


When I said *you* I was referring to the general *you* not you specifically first person...But fine - let the guy debunk away. I think it really defeats the purpose of the whole concept anyway - I mean what IS the purpose if not to further along humanity and heal people - i think....and for distraction - though ultimately my own belief is that this is a jumping board for bigger things - like an apprenticeship...before the Real Work...


Oh right, well what do you have to lose? Your pride?

Jesus Christ you're a weird one. I really think you should do the test. And stop being so vague, as if I know what you're talking about.


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19 Dec 2007, 12:49 pm

Jj, he has made it clear that he believes he does not have Psychic powers, why do you insist that he does?


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19 Dec 2007, 2:25 pm

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Jj, he has made it clear that he believes he does not have Psychic powers, why do you insist that he does?


This wasn't proof. This was to give you an idea how to do it. Nobody needs to prove a damn thing. You like - fine. You don't like - fine. It's as simple as that.


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19 Dec 2007, 2:29 pm

I only started a thread on this subject as i have a very big interest in psychic abilitys and i dont want anybody to prove a thing i wanted this to be a thread for others that share this interest and if they have psychic abilitys to maybe share them with others or if you beleive you have abilitys,



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19 Dec 2007, 3:36 pm

Well - honestly it's a way of life for me - it's part and parcel of what I do, live and breathe. I use whatever I have to read between the lines and seek more Truth. It never really was a separate part of me - now it's just me.


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19 Dec 2007, 3:38 pm

Everybody is psychic its the matter of meditating and trying to open your charkras which isnt easy but once done you should show signs of psychic abilitys from what i have read,



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19 Dec 2007, 4:11 pm

mmmm


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19 Dec 2007, 4:17 pm

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I'm suppose to be psychic, in fact, very psychic. I myself am very skeptical that psychic abilities are what people say they are. I don't doubt some people confuse coincidence and chance to their own alledged "abilities." it's funny how people always seem so eager to decieve themselves, especially if they're tying to ascribe "special powers" to themselves.

I say I'm suppose to be psychic because I've been tested twice, once in a psychology study when I was in college, and at a later time by a parapsychology expert (who also had a master's degree in psychology). In both tests, which were quite different, I rated very high for clairvoyance, although each test defined clairvoyance a little differently. So I have my doubts about those results. I also rated high in other forms of ESP in both tests, but clairvoyance was said to be my strongest. Those results intrigue me, but I wouldn't put much stock into them. I mean, supposedly, according to one of these test, I'm "clairaudient." But how do you qualitify that ability? How do they know it's not just a combination of my synesthesia, eidetic memory and hyper fast deduction skills? In that case it's not so much me having "paranormal" perception of sounds, but a neurological advantage that I've intuitively learned to use since childhood by ordinary trial and error.

In some cases, like how I'm able to tell you some curiously detailed personal things about someone by only hearing a recording of their voice or them playing music - there is a strong intuitive part, but I am also aware that I do also go through a very brief and fast process of deduction that is unobservable and difficult for me to articulate to someone else. Another "amazing" thing I can do is called "clairsentience" - I can touch someone or something and "know" things about them I seeingly wouldn't know otherwise (paranoid people probably shouldn't shake hands with me :P ). I've also had several prophetic visions and dreams that have come to pass, and I have had many lucid dreams, sometimes where I learn something that I can later verify to be true. When I was younger it did seem like magic but I'm older and less guillable, and nor do I wish to be "special" in that way. So it's easier for me now to set my ego aside and say that while these things make for a neat "party trick," none of it is as paranormal as it may seem.

I also know, because I do have certain gifts that can be mistaken for paranormal abilties, how that "Oh wow, you're psychic!" reaction plays on a person's ego. I've caught myself wording my supposedly psychic reactions to be more vague and general yet sound convincingly "on target" and have learned how easy it is to fool people that way. Seriously, many people simply want to believe you, even if you're way off, and they'll unconsiously bend over backwards to let you be right. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. But the desire of the power that has on people, to power to amaze and dazzle, is very seductive, and I recognize that desire in pretty much every person I've met who claims to be psychic. (Another trick these frauds use to convince people is sheer passion - how intensely they believe in it sometimes convinces others too.)

Most of my supposedly psychic experinces I believe can be explained in more mundane ways. Some are definitely weirder and perhaps more impressive than others, and a little harder to explain. But I'm sure there's rational, non-paranormal explanations for all of it. I believe a lot will eventually be shown to be nothing more than mental perspective, suggestion and cognitive biases that color one's perceptions, both in the mind of the "psychic" and in the minds of the people who believe them.

Very well put.


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19 Dec 2007, 4:25 pm

All I know is often I can think about a song and itll play on the radio somewhere on some station, tho this was more prevelant as a kid then now.


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Everybody is psychic its the matter of meditating and trying to open your charkras which isnt easy but once done you should show signs of psychic abilitys from what i have read,


Did you ever read Trust Your Vibes by Sonia Choquette? A simplistic book that outlines how natural it is to be at ease with your psychic abilities and intuitiveness - being a 6 sensoried person. That is our natural state! And to be stuck in the limited 5 senses is actually a kind of psychic retardation keeping you heavy and stuck in the ego. Interesting read. Might want to check it out or maybe one of the videos floating out there on her. She's actually a very bright light.


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19 Dec 2007, 4:29 pm

Atm im reading How psychic are you ? by Paul Roland its a good book and i do watch a few videos on youtube and generally study the subject and trying meditation i didnt think i'd be able to do it as you have to try and keep your mind blank but meditation is great,



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19 Dec 2007, 4:54 pm

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Everybody is psychic

You started the thread; be prepared to hear the opinion that everyone is not psychic, unless of course you're willing to prove otherwise, meanwhile making yourself $1,000,000 richer at the expense of James Randi.

Well . . . ? :roll:



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19 Dec 2007, 5:04 pm

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Everybody is psychic

You started the thread; be prepared to hear the opinion that everyone is not psychic, unless of course you're willing to prove otherwise, meanwhile making yourself $1,000,000 richer at the expense of James Randi.

Well . . . ? :roll:


Everybody has an opinion and i respect that it is all over the web saying everybody is psychic and its in my book also i dont make money from anything to do with psychic,

Not everybody is psychic but most people have had dreams that have come true or had the feeling somebody was going to ring and they did,

If you dont beleive then thats your opinion,



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19 Dec 2007, 5:07 pm

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it is all over the web saying everybody is psychic

Oh.