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08 Jun 2010, 5:22 pm
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If humans came from Africa, why are there still Africans? 
And do evolutionists believe that Africans are closer to being apes? (this is a serious question)
No. We're all pretty much equally close to being apes.. I'm of european descent and i consider myself an ape
We're still different from other apes, just like all ape species are from eachother, because we are our own species afterall. Humans, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Orangutans, and Bonobos are all obviously different from eachother, yet we all came from the same ancestors and therefore share a lot in common. I think the "ape rights" thing makes a lot of sense, actually. They aren't the same as humans, because they are still different species, but we should show some amount of respect to our fellow apes because, whether we like it or not, they are family
Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.
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08 Jun 2010, 5:36 pm
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I think the "ape rights" thing makes a lot of sense, actually. They aren't the same as humans, because they are still different species, but we should show some amount of respect to our fellow apes because, whether we like it or not, they are family Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.
Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.So would you be offended by the idea that some people hunt monkeys to eat? Yes, some cultures eat monkeys.
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08 Jun 2010, 5:39 pm
ColdBlooded wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
ColdBlooded wrote:
RetNet56 wrote:
If humans came from Africa, why are there still Africans?
And do evolutionists believe that Africans are closer to being apes? (this is a serious question)
No. We're all pretty much equally close to being apes.. I'm of european descent and i consider myself an ape
We're still different from other apes, just like all ape species are from eachother, because we are our own species afterall. Humans, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Orangutans, and Bonobos are all obviously different from eachother, yet we all came from the same ancestors and therefore share a lot in common. I think the "ape rights" thing makes a lot of sense, actually. They aren't the same as humans, because they are still different species, but we should show some amount of respect to our fellow apes because, whether we like it or not, they are family
Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.But they are advanced in some ways than 4 year old humans, well the 2 pan species are anyway.
And I agree with the ape rights thing, I think that killing non human apes like in the bushmeat trade and torturing them should have the same punishments and sentences as killing/torturing people have. I think anyone that goes out to Africa and poaches a gorilla should have a full court trial and everything.
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08 Jun 2010, 5:41 pm
jc6chan wrote:
ColdBlooded wrote:
I think the "ape rights" thing makes a lot of sense, actually. They aren't the same as humans, because they are still different species, but we should show some amount of respect to our fellow apes because, whether we like it or not, they are family Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.
Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.So would you be offended by the idea that some people hunt monkeys to eat? Yes, some cultures eat monkeys.
I know you weren't asking me, but I'll put my two penneth in anyway.
Because monkeys are much further away genetically so there are less tabboos about eating them. Chimps eat monkeys and you don't see them iffing and arring about the ethics of it (mostly coz they can't talk but that's a whole different kettle of fish
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08 Jun 2010, 5:50 pm
MONKEY wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
ColdBlooded wrote:
I think the "ape rights" thing makes a lot of sense, actually. They aren't the same as humans, because they are still different species, but we should show some amount of respect to our fellow apes because, whether we like it or not, they are family Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.
Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.So would you be offended by the idea that some people hunt monkeys to eat? Yes, some cultures eat monkeys.
I know you weren't asking me, but I'll put my two penneth in anyway.
Because monkeys are much further away genetically so there are less tabboos about eating them. Chimps eat monkeys and you don't see them iffing and arring about the ethics of it (mostly coz they can't talk but that's a whole different kettle of fish
)I'm sure some people eat apes too.
08 Jun 2010, 5:51 pm
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08 Jun 2010, 5:53 pm
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MONKEY wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
ColdBlooded wrote:
I think the "ape rights" thing makes a lot of sense, actually. They aren't the same as humans, because they are still different species, but we should show some amount of respect to our fellow apes because, whether we like it or not, they are family Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.
Plus they do have a lot of the same mental abilities, just not to the same degree as your average human. But, i think we can agree that people with less intelligence are still entitled to rights, so why not our ape family? Koko the gorilla scored higher than some humans on an IQ test.So would you be offended by the idea that some people hunt monkeys to eat? Yes, some cultures eat monkeys.
I know you weren't asking me, but I'll put my two penneth in anyway.
Because monkeys are much further away genetically so there are less tabboos about eating them. Chimps eat monkeys and you don't see them iffing and arring about the ethics of it (mostly coz they can't talk but that's a whole different kettle of fish
)I'm sure some people eat apes too.
Yes I know, the bushmeat trade. They kill the apes just so posh snobs with s**t loads of money can get a taste of "exotic meat". And I think it's disgusting myself, 1 because in my opinion it's like cannibalism and 2 because a lot of apes are only in small populations and we can't afford to lower their numbers any more.
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