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09 Dec 2015, 2:34 am

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I was so embarrassed when one of our dumber-than-a-box-of-rocks pols seriously proposed that we build a border fence along the Canadian border to keep Canadians out! :oops:


That would be an accomplishment. At 5,525 miles, it would have to be considerably longer then the Great Wall of China. Geography is not a strong point for a lot of Americans. :lol:


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09 Dec 2015, 2:37 am

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No offense taken. The problem is terrorists can come in from any country and the US is in general a high profile target. Unless you find they're packing explosives, illegal weaponry, and/or loads of ammunition you can't really tell the difference between a normal tourist and a terrorist. I don't know how often Canada gets targeted for that kind of nonsense violence but we get hit with it almost every other week these days. It's getting ridiculous and the police and army are rightfully scared for their lives since some of these religious zealots are targeting them directly.


Canada doesn't generally get targeted, because they don't go around pissing off the world.


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09 Dec 2015, 3:31 am

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Since I finally got around to making a trip down south to 4 different US states, I can say the most glaring difference (besides the Customs being much more difficult and serious on the US side) is that there are flags EVERYWHERE in the USA.


"so they don't forget where they are"! :mrgreen:


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09 Dec 2015, 4:20 am

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Since I finally got around to making a trip down south to 4 different US states, I can say the most glaring difference (besides the Customs being much more difficult and serious on the US side) is that there are flags EVERYWHERE in the USA. I love flags but it was a bit too much. I don't remember seeing a single state flag but the national flag was literally everywhere. In Quebec for example, flags were almost non-existent.


That may be true in Quebec, but I think as a whole Canada is far more patriotic and flag waving then the US is. I think it's hard to go any place in Canada (example Ontario) and not see a Canadian flag or a sign with a maple leaf on it, and I'm not talking on government buildings. It seems like almost every gas station in Canada has one of those giant Canadian flags flying over it. I don't every remember seeing a gas station with an America flag flying, unless it was a US national holiday.

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'Rednecks' were much more open on the American side: I saw anti-women, pro-gun, racist and anti-government bumper stickers on trucks and huge confederate flags painted on even bigger trucks even close to the Canadian border. You would NEVER see that in Canada. Americans seemed very friendly and welcoming but seem to be lacking in the intelligence side compared to most parts of Canada. One cashier never even heard of the letter "Zed" and she lived near Canada!


In the US the letter "Z" is never pronounced "Zed" ever. The fact that an American would not have heard it pronounced would not be a reflection on their level of education, or how close they live to the Canadian Border. It's just something that is not taught.

You did hit the nail on the hear when you talk about rednecks in the US. The redneck problem in the US is the main big difference between the US and Canada and other countries. The US has a very large uneducated sub-class (Republicans, religious fanatics, gun nuts) that drags the country down. Unfortunately the problem is not going to improve. Because these illiterate, uneducated people are homeschooling their kids. So the kids don't have a chance. It's an endless cycle of ignorance.

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I also found that Canadians and especially those in Quebec and Newfoundland are MUCH more laid back. Probably explains why those two provinces have such low crime rates. I also laughed how I drove from Vermont (where for some reason I had to pay before fueling up) to Quebec where I did not when gas is much cheaper on the American side! Of course, I have to mention again I was in a community that was literally divided by the border. Derby Line Vermont/Stanstead Quebec. On the American side there were armed patrols everywhere (who were clearly bored out of their mind) and the Canadian side was wide open. Both sides of the community were nearly deserted due to the border politics and I can easily see why. The customs guy in Canada just asked about what I had and wished me a great day while the US side interrogated us police style about where we were going, where we worked, when we planned on leaving and searched our vehicle. They were professional but it was an unnerving experience to be treated like a potential criminal and watched like a hawk. There was also a big sign warning that you will be arrested and fined $5000 if you cross the street illegally into the USA. Parts of the USA reminded me of something you would see in North Korea with the huge displays of nationalism. Even though I did not speak the language on the Canadian (Quebec) side I felt much more at home there.

Speaking of Quebec, I also could not get over how friendly people in Quebec were. Every single person spoke nearly perfect English and usually picked up on my weak French seamlessly. Can't wait to return there especially when I heard so many bad things about that province: they bent over backwards to accommodate us! Their government might suck but their residents are so friendly and helpful! When I got back, I commented on how nice northern New Hampshire and Vermont were and it was too bad they were stuck on the wrong side of the border. All in all though there was little difference between the two countries and I enjoyed my visit to the States.


Thats another problem. You are right as far as police states go, the US is right up there with North Korea.


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09 Dec 2015, 10:27 am

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That may be true in Quebec, but I think as a whole Canada is far more patriotic and flag waving then the US is. I think it's hard to go any place in Canada (example Ontario) and not see a Canadian flag or a sign with a maple leaf on it, and I'm not talking on government buildings. It seems like almost every gas station in Canada has one of those giant Canadian flags flying over it. I don't every remember seeing a gas station with an America flag flying, unless it was a US national holiday.

I've been to 8 provinces and while I see plenty of flags, they were usually a good variety of them (municipal, provincial, federal). Newfoundland in particular loves the Union Jack too but never to the extent I saw in the USA. I was in a very poor area of Maine (poorer than anywhere I have seen in this country) and there were giant flags on every single pole. It was exclusively Stars and Stripes everywhere you looked. As for the Gas stations (one of my other obsessive interests as a child), I remember loving that Irving gas stations always had a provincial flag flying on their canopy but I haven't seen that in many years. Used to love late April not because of the warmer weather but because the flags started coming out!

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In the US the letter "Z" is never pronounced "Zed" ever. The fact that an American would not have heard it pronounced would not be a reflection on their level of education, or how close they live to the Canadian Border. It's just something that is not taught.

Well, nobody taught us "Zee" but I've never met a person (children included) who doesn't know it is another way of saying "Zed". I never was taught Fahrenheit but it wasn't hard to pick up. My point is that Americans in general seemed incredibly ignorant of other countries, especially one they could easily drive to!

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You did hit the nail on the hear when you talk about rednecks in the US. The redneck problem in the US is the main big difference between the US and Canada and other countries. The US has a very large uneducated sub-class (Republicans, religious fanatics, gun nuts) that drags the country down. Unfortunately the problem is not going to improve. Because these illiterate, uneducated people are homeschooling their kids. So the kids don't have a chance. It's an endless cycle of ignorance.

That's a good way of putting it. Most Americans seemed like great, down to earth, generous people and very similar to Canadians (I would have kept forgetting I was not in Canada if not for the flags) but the 'rednecks' are much more extreme and scarier compared to here. I remember being in a Circle K convenience store and it was surreal how many stereotypical rednecks were loading up on beer and cigarettes!

On big plus about the USA was that the prices of everything is SOOO much cheaper outside of accommodations. Even with the exchange rate I could not believe how cheap and plentiful food was for example. In contrast, Quebec had high prices, high taxes and low portion sizes. As a Giant, that sucked but I did notice how much smaller Quebecers waists were compared to Americans. Doubt that's a coincidence!



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09 Dec 2015, 3:12 pm

One of my wife's son said "A to Zed" to me once. He lives in England. I looked at him like he has three heads. He couldn't believe I've never heard of "zed" before.



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10 Dec 2015, 11:36 pm

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'Rednecks' were much more open on the American side: I saw anti-women, pro-gun, racist and anti-government bumper stickers on trucks and huge confederate flags painted on even bigger trucks even close to the Canadian border. You would NEVER see that in Canada. Americans seemed very friendly and welcoming but seem to be lacking in the intelligence side compared to most parts of Canada. One cashier never even heard of the letter "Zed" and she lived near Canada!


That's a bit uncharitable, and you're misinterpreting things anyway, as I doubt we really have a proportionately greater "redneck" population than Canada, just that that American openness you commented on also applies to beliefs that might be kept private in other parts of the world. I'll also add to this Zed thing that it's not something particularly important to know as an American, and also not something likely to come up in casual conversation, so I wouldn't put too much significance on it.


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11 Dec 2015, 2:31 am

it also does not seem important to me. it's just one of the huge number of differences.

i prefer a rhyme.


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11 Dec 2015, 3:24 am

if only we could all be amerinadians.



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12 Dec 2015, 2:49 am

Here's a great representation of the differences in our cultures:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/meanwhile-in ... 1747508005


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12 Dec 2015, 2:58 am

if only Canada didn't make it forbiddingly hard for the lions' share of americans to live in Canada long-term.



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12 Dec 2015, 8:42 am

Because Americans wanted independence from the British Empire, remember? Now you're moaning that you cant come and live with us again...

Tbh, if large amounts of Americans emigrated to Canada, it would ruin Canada.



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12 Dec 2015, 11:10 am

And tell me...why would that occur? Most Americans are as respectful as Canadians.



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12 Dec 2015, 3:48 pm

This sums it up quite well: clicky.



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12 Dec 2015, 5:32 pm

Never noticed many difference really after visiting some relatives there, only slight European blend in the area and the money looks different. I have only been to Vancouver B.C. and Victoria B.C. though. Vancouver is alot like San Francisco only cleaner and has a nice park called Stanley Park. If I were to give up my US Citizenship Van Couver B.C. would be the first place to move to. I am an American and half My family on my mothers side are Canadian, I have had influence on bth sides its natural to me.


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13 Dec 2015, 10:19 am

Canadians tend to be more respectful on the road.

The Toronto freeways are just like American freeways, though!