"verses on the faithmind by the 3rd zen patriarch", vetronie

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18 Mar 2017, 5:04 pm

"etronan" is a conlang that i have been working on, on/off since mid 2013. one of the most useful ways that i have found, to pinpoint lexical and grammatical gaps to be filled in, is attempting to translate passages into the language. translating this was a nightmare at first, but as i worked my way through it and it became ever clearer what i needed to work on...it actually became rather enjoyable. word order is roughly SOV. verbs are inflected heavily by object, aspect, tense, person (somewhat...) and volition. usually not all at the same time. there are ejective consonants.

some important nuanced meanings may have gotten lost in translation but....such is life. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i've included a quick scribbling of the first translated line written in the two writing systems i have created: the top one is much more developed than the lower one. the "y"/ayin-looking letters are Ts.

this passage was sent to me by a friend, the original can be found here: http://allspirit.co.uk/hsin-hsin-ming/


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The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.


Secre Tatta yoleren patz sharelet cevhe nel in. De iexen cafeit lot in, davar xepata nenelonnavit. O zollet ago ves anni, Weillyit Sieélit phohyt phaei.


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If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind.


Me zoon seielen annidel, cah leren poon sharelet łarásitoie łaráseggeloth. Haxacen ele le zoon iexen ele le zoon cefa cresset, noodhie shissirie ze.

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When the deep meaning of things is not understood the mind’s essential peace is disturbed to no avail.


De seielen amoh shecyrie shwshora in, sehinne shissirie cylydh phaei in.

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The Way is perfect like vast space when nothing is lacking and nothing is in excess.


SeCre frethyn in tadha tadhet cie, de shwmie xen veshwmlet, shwmie xen vehoiephaesit.

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Indeed, it is due to our choosing to accept or reject that we do not see the true nature of things.


Cah, shereavioorie al hamyatt halòossimoth, le seielen shecyrie ta shwannivin.

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Live neither in the entanglements of outer things nor in inner feelings of emptiness
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Veshwess shecyrie latrith nel phaive, néfilie al shori vevey net phaive.

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Be serene in the oneness of things and such erroneous views will disappear by themselves.


Xen vefliphaes setwnelet shecyrie en, shyrrssiehit tse yofie latin vedha.

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When you try to stop activity to achieve passivity your very effort fills you with activity.


De zoon onallet harłyon illi tonn haipana poallet, illioorie g'holaoon onallet yl.

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As long as you remain in one extreme or the other you will never know Oneness.


Vehol chell de zoon veona vemothothoth yed, zoon a Twnelet shwaa shamaná.

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Those who do not live in the single Way fail in both activity and passivity, assertion and denial.


Elin le veCre shwzeyed, veonallet vepoalletit, gan vevasswn veadelamavit maled.

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To deny the reality of things is to miss their reality; to assert the emptiness of things is to miss their reality.


Hashwn a ielen shecyrie le shwanni ielenirie ze, a seshoriélet shecyrie haadelama shwanni ielenirie ze.

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The more you talk and think about it, the further astray you wander from the truth.


De zoon lalit damel ashit al tes, zoon washieé nooretz es seielen on.

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Stop talking and thinking, and there is nothing you will not be able to know.


Ryoł hadamel haashit, xenit swmie le zoon shava nel don.

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To return to the root is to find the meaning, but to pursue appearances is to miss the source.


Haima yavrith seshelles hayris ze, o a xinain hagevwas a sevrith hashwanni ze.

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At the moment of inner enlightenment there is a going beyond appearance and emptiness.


Vechell le zoon a Annikak anni, xen cre xina shoriéletit proiés.

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The changes that appear to occur in the empty world we call real only because of our ignorance.


Sezoynen le veOna Ieplen alyl, ta damelin zoynen la shwneletavriemes.

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Do not search for the truth; only cease to cherish opinions.


Nel yired ieleniss, la sharelet halyria ryoł.

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Do not remain in the dualistic state — avoid such pursuits carefully.


Nel xen vephaes ien iéllet, — ienin crein on wires isorossie.

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If there is even a trace of this and that, of right and wrong, the Mind-essence will be lost in confusion.


Me xen la iłoon ien elerievit, ieplen xonit, seshiss ná yed vethyfelet.

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Although all dualities come from the One, do not be attached even to this One.


Hol iélletin seTwn on mala, o nel a ien Twn lyria.

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When the mind exists undisturbed in the Way, nothing in the world can offend, and when such a thing can no longer offend, it ceases to exist in the old way.


Se seshiss veshwcolydh xen veCre, shwmie vaOna cylydh don, devit ele shecy cylydh lat, tes ryłan haxen veCre assaniss.

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When no discriminating thoughts arise, the old mind ceases to exist.


De shyrrshiehin charecie nel xen, seshiss assan ryłan haxen.

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When thought objects vanish, the thinking-subject vanishes, as when the mind vanishes, objects vanish.


De xen shecyin assehiss, sevrith assihissirie áren, cah de seshiss áren, shecyin áren.

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Things are objects because of the subject (mind); the mind (subject) is such because of things (object).


Shecyin shecyin ze sevrithimes (shiss), sheshiss (vrith) cah ze shecymes.

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If you do not discriminate between coarse and fine you will not be tempted to prejudice and opinion.


Me zoon shwshare wro phyh selal phyhe, zoon nel xen vemedolel shareletiss.

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Understand the relativity of these two and the basic reality: the unity of emptiness
.

A setseroonai ienirie shira seiepylet raeit: twnelet shoriélet.

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In this emptiness the two are indistinguishable and each contains in itself the whole world.


Veshioriélet ien sei cien in, tselit seona hol pixen.

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To live in the Great Way is neither easy nor difficult, but those with limited views are fearful and irresolute; the faster they hurry, the slower they go, and clinging (attachment) cannot be limited; even to be attached to the idea of enlightenment is to go astray.


Hazeyed veCre len nel cevheoth, o tsel anninana lotrei en coici in, de tse liin, tse lanootin, malemeletit nel xen velotrei don; la lemahe yorevesseixiss miefflo ze.

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Just let things be in their own way and there will be neither coming nor going.


La shecyin le xen vecreatsrie dion, cahit ren lemala lelatoth.

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Obey the nature of things (your own nature), and you will walk freely and undisturbed.


Sevrith shecyrie talel (vrithoorie) zoonit veonlaot shwcolydhit wassiná.

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When thought is in bondage the truth is hidden, for everything is murky and unclear, and the burdensome practice of judging brings annoyance and weariness.


De xen ossissehyn seielen nelonna in, to davar venelxadys sypitieit, seonallet hashareiss afeieélet cecailidhelet maía.

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What benefits can be derived from distinctions and separations?


Rorienein rell mala don zolletin phyhein on?

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If you wish to move in the One Way do not dislike even the world of senses and ideas.


Me zoonn vaCre Twn methifynidel shwcefa gan seona annigain shannoinissit.

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Indeed, to accept them fully is identical with true Enlightenment.


Veh, hamyattatz teiephi Revesseix ielen ze hellie.

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The wise man strives to no goals but the foolish man fetters himself.


Sedatti tattashedh nel á gol gevwas o sedatti shomon latridha.

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There is one Dharma, not many; distinctions arise from the clinging needs of the ignorant.


Xen Darma twn, nel hoie, zolletin setesin shwnelessirie maheiss on can.

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To seek Mind with the (discriminating) mind is the greatest of all mistakes.


Á Shiss hayired seshiss (leshare) en sexononn zevohirie ves ze.

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Rest and unrest derive from illusion; with enlightenment there is no liking and disliking.


Hes nelhesoth hina on mala; revesseixtatta en ren iexen cefait.

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All dualities come from ignorant inference. They are like dreams or flowers in air: foolish to try to grasp them.


Hol illelie ciessein shwneless mala. Tse hedienin arvin vesieél cie; tes acaixe haalle shelahatz.

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Gain and loss, right and wrong: such thoughts must finally be abolished at once.


Lyria nelyriait, xon ielenit, xen tes á ele shyrsshien hanellieoie shie.

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If the eye never sleeps, all dreams will naturally cease.


Me senovis hed shwaa, hol hedienin tse ryłanin leniss.

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If the mind makes no discriminations, the ten thousand things are as they are, of single essence.


Me seshiss á shwmie share, seshecyin roiechith in incie, etsen twlherie.

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To understand the mystery of this One-essence is to be released from all entanglements.


Hashira á seodyme ien Twneletrie hanorya ze hol shweshin on.

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When all things are seen equally the timeless Self-essence is reached.


De hol shecyin onnell vezet, sephaive vodikat lyrionn.

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No comparisons or analogies are possible in this causeless, relationless state.


Sherein nilalal in vephaes ien shellethyn.

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Consider movement stationary and the stationary in motion, both movement and rest disappear.


Shox le methifyn weillyra ze seweillyra vemethifynin, methifylet gan hesit áren.

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When such dualities cease to exist Oneness itself cannot exist.


De ryłan haxen ilellie elin, Twnelet xen nel don.

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To this ultimate finality no law or description applies.


Xen raid xyseletoth fosilhetoie tatta ves ien.

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For the unified mind in accord with the Way all self-centered striving ceases.


To veheinne setwlheshiss en seCre en, á hol medolenin taixen ryłain.

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Doubts and irresolutions vanish and life in true faith is possible.


Dwexin áren vephive xiwliss alavel in.

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With a single stroke we are freed from bondage; nothing clings to us and we hold to nothing.


Cie zie nelyria, ta on lotin shwesh on, shwmie yotain mahe ta á shwmie lyriain.

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All is empty, clear, self-illuminating, with no exertion of the mind’s power.


Hol shori, xadys ze tes dhaxammwssit, shan tomall seadon shissirie.

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Here thought, feeling, knowledge, and imagination are of no value.


Go shyrssien, filiein, revesseix arselletit xen fei shan.

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In this world of suchness there is neither self nor other-than-self.


Veona ien sosseletiss xen nel "dha" net "mothoth dha on".

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To come directly into harmony with this reality just simply say when doubt arises, ‘Not two.’


Hamala xadel yoheinne phaiva ien en la de dwex can dalemoonn, 'Nel i'.

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In this ‘not two’ nothing is separate, nothing is excluded.


Ve'nel i' ien shwmie phohyt in, shwmie prashan in.

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No matter when or where, enlightenment means entering this truth.


Metieé dyieoth latrel, revesseixtatta yoielen ien leipana zet.

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And this truth is beyond extension or diminution in time or space; in it a single thought is ten thousand years.


Ielen ienit ilatelet ynifynelet proiés in velaze lolaoth; vetes shyrssieh twn roiechith annin ze.

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Emptiness here, Emptiness there, but the infinite universe stands always before your eyes.


Shoriélet go, shoriélet xana, sezałapha fosithynoth anninoorie proi cin iene.

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Infinitely large and infinitely small; no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen.


Tadha fosithyn ago fosithynit; ren zollet, to sedolemoonin georen phayhatisin nel onnell.

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So too with Being and Non-Being.


Gan Xenlet Renlet en.

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Don’t waste time with doubts and arguments that have nothing to do with this.


Nel dwexin varagynin en phazegge le iene latrel yed.

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One thing, all things: move among and intermingle, without distinction.


Twn shecy, shycyie hol: rigot gaxin, tho zello.

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To live in this realization is to be without anxiety about non-perfection.


Haphive vewicarelet ien haxen tho antetsin nel-frethyniss.

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To live in this faith is the road to non-duality, because the non-dual is one with trusting mind.


Haphive vexiwl ien secreix yo nelilellet in, senel-ille za setwn shiss le waratel enimes.

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Words!


Shecyie!

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The Way is beyond language, for in it there is no yesterday, no tomorrow, no today.


SeCre darimea proiés in, to vetes ren vemoth, ren via, ren lateth.


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18 Mar 2017, 9:20 pm

I'm a conlanger too!

Is this a pan-Semitic language by any chance? I plan to recreate Phoneician as a modern language when I'm done with my studies, much like the Zionist linguists of the late 19th/early 20th century revived what had only survived up to then in liturgy as a daily spoken language suitable for all Jews. Looking into the Semitic languages, especially Modern Hebrew, will help me with this.


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20 Mar 2017, 1:43 am

cool! curious, what kind of languages have you worked on or plan to work on? fusional, agglutinative, isolating...
mine leads towards agglutinative, but it would behoove me to introduce some fusional elements, lest my inflections become too cumbersome.

no, it's not meant to be a pan semitic language actually, but incidentally, i am studying hebrew at the moment (when i can) :mrgreen: so i'd like to believe i know a thing or two about that.

i admit...i did steal the idea of word "roots" from hebrew and arabic and adopted it into my own creation. as those languages would have the root K.T.B/V for words relating to writing or scripture, A.T.L would be the root for words relating to "control" in etronan. in general, the shorter or longer the root is, the more broad or specific the concept is, but no idea if that's how it works in hebrew. also, vowels can be part of the root here.

also attempted to ape the "binyanim" system once, but that's become a relative feature now.

you have a very big plan...i think eliezer ben yehuda and his contemporaries would be proud. how do you plan to achieve this (roughly)?


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20 Mar 2017, 1:45 am

here's my translation of a version of the "prayer of st francis":

Praoon, ipanatá vełari hinneoorie.
Mieé xen cafe, dion ta iexen tacat;
Mieé xen aifraie, aifran;
Mieé xen dweh, wirel;
Mieé xen akott, liry;
Mieé xen shemanelet, ea;
Mieé xen sypitelet, vwiea.

Y Creinxwal, dion le ta nel yiredaná
Haflod vetieéhaflaîd.
Hashora vetieéhashiôra.
Haéxon vetieéhaîexen
To vehalèet ze le ta mothain
Vehaaifran le ta ofronin
Vemila ze le ta yophive lony vopefatin.


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