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Noam2353
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09 Aug 2019, 1:50 pm

Well, it seems like anyone in the US who have woke up in the morning with a bad mood, can go and shoot people around him/her without much thinking beforehand.
Can someone explain to me how the US Gun control methods work in the US? I'm not American, and I never visited the US. So, I'm not so aware.
It seems to me like, with all these terrible gun related mass shootings continuing to occur, there doesn't seem to be much change taking place with the gun control methods and laws.
What surprised me the most was that it happens in very random places, like even when you're doing the most ordinary thing in your life, some crazy dude decides to start shooting especially there. I mean, not that I mean to say it's a pleasant thing to see happening, but if it were to happen mostly in places like NYC or Los Angeles - it would make more sense. Why does these mass shooters choose very... odd locations?
Anyways, I'm with the families and their grief and sadness and everything, but I think a lot could have and can still now be done about the whole gun control thing, but is not being done, despite the Superman Trump in charge and all that.
I'm very much curious to find out how does normal civilians get their hands on guns in the US so easily, and how the gun control laws aren't preventing these things just yet. I'm not saying you can prevent mass shootings from happening all the time, but many of them could have been stopped or prevented, but weren't.
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09 Aug 2019, 1:56 pm

It's easy to get a gun. It's also easy to get materials that can blow up a good sized building.
If you think (as I do) that mass shootings are a result of a narrowing cookie-cutter culture where everyone must fit into a tiny mold of personality type or be medicated to fit in then you believe the issue is more about being a truly more tolerant society that accepts people who sit outside the mold and not about gun control.

Unfortunately life in America is all about getting your corporate job, getting your white picket fence and having well-behaved children and there is little to no acceptance if you don't fit into that horrible existence.

The number of labor hours of an average family applied toward earning a dollar is forever increasing and a culture that cares only about money and material possessions will have people who revolt in violent ways having been suppressed their entire life.

I'm in CA, one of the harder states to get a gun. You fill out a basic questionnaire, you wait 10 days, and poof, you get your firearm.



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09 Aug 2019, 1:57 pm

I think it's because in America we don't have :

1. Armed soldiers on every street.

2. Walled and gated ghettos where we keep our most despised citizens, just because they practice a different religion.

3. A ten-to-one retaliatory policy against terrorists, both domestic AND foreign.


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09 Aug 2019, 1:58 pm

Fnord wrote:
I think it's because in America we don't have :

1. Armed soldiers on every street.

2. Walled and gated ghettos where we keep our most despised citizens, just because they practice a different religion.

3. A ten-to-one retaliatory policy against terrorists, both domestic AND foreign.

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09 Aug 2019, 2:01 pm

Fnord wrote:
I think it's because in America we don't have :

1. Armed soldiers on every street.

2. Walled and gated ghettos where we keep our most despised citizens, just because they practice a different religion.

3. A ten-to-one retaliatory policy against terrorists, both domestic AND foreign.

None of that is here in Israel either, I don't know what you are implying to be honest, even though you are generally vague in most of your forum replies, but this one is exceptionally vague. Perhaps some sort of a protest attempt...still not sure.
I can only say that is far from what Israel is.
I will admit the situation in my country is atleast a thousand times worse than yours when it comes to these kind of things. But there are very peaceful places in Israel too. It depends where in Israel you live.
In the US, to me, it seems like even if you live in a rural farm in Texas, you can still be affected by a mass shooting or some other terrorist act. I thought only people living in big crowded cities in the US were affected? Was I wrong?


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11 Aug 2019, 3:31 am

Roboto wrote:
It's easy to get a gun. It's also easy to get materials that can blow up a good sized building.
If you think (as I do) that mass shootings are a result of a narrowing cookie-cutter culture where everyone must fit into a tiny mold of personality type or be medicated to fit in then you believe the issue is more about being a truly more tolerant society that accepts people who sit outside the mold and not about gun control.

Unfortunately life in America is all about getting your corporate job, getting your white picket fence and having well-behaved children and there is little to no acceptance if you don't fit into that horrible existence.

The number of labor hours of an average family applied toward earning a dollar is forever increasing and a culture that cares only about money and material possessions will have people who revolt in violent ways having been suppressed their entire life.

I'm in CA, one of the harder states to get a gun. You fill out a basic questionnaire, you wait 10 days, and poof, you get your firearm.
I think you do have a point but there's a lot more to it than that. The health care system in American is pretty sh!ty compared to other developed countries. America doesn't have universal health care & it's even harder to get mental health care. I was going though a bad depression when I was 20 & I tried to get mental health care from the parish(Louisiana word for county) mental health facility. They rejected me for not being an immediate threat to myself or others even thou I was having suicidal idealization & had went to the ER a few days before for slashing my arm 9x. I basically would of had to been thinking about harming others or had attempted suicide to be accepted.

As for as the gun laws here. A lot of politicians in America are endorsed by & get funding from the National Rifle Association. The NRA claims to care about gun rights but they really care about the gun manufacturers & businesses that sell guns. A lot of members of the NRA actually do support some gun control laws like background checks on all gun sales but the higherups in the NRA don't really care.


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11 Aug 2019, 3:55 am

nick007 wrote:
Roboto wrote:
It's easy to get a gun. It's also easy to get materials that can blow up a good sized building.
If you think (as I do) that mass shootings are a result of a narrowing cookie-cutter culture where everyone must fit into a tiny mold of personality type or be medicated to fit in then you believe the issue is more about being a truly more tolerant society that accepts people who sit outside the mold and not about gun control.

Unfortunately life in America is all about getting your corporate job, getting your white picket fence and having well-behaved children and there is little to no acceptance if you don't fit into that horrible existence.

The number of labor hours of an average family applied toward earning a dollar is forever increasing and a culture that cares only about money and material possessions will have people who revolt in violent ways having been suppressed their entire life.

I'm in CA, one of the harder states to get a gun. You fill out a basic questionnaire, you wait 10 days, and poof, you get your firearm.
I think you do have a point but there's a lot more to it than that. The health care system in American is pretty sh!ty compared to other developed countries. America doesn't have universal health care & it's even harder to get mental health care. I was going though a bad depression when I was 20 & I tried to get mental health care from the parish(Louisiana word for county) mental health facility. They rejected me for not being an immediate threat to myself or others even thou I was having suicidal idealization & had went to the ER a few days before for slashing my arm 9x. I basically would of had to been thinking about harming others or had attempted suicide to be accepted.

As for as the gun laws here. A lot of politicians in America are endorsed by & get funding from the National Rifle Association. The NRA claims to care about gun rights but they really care about the gun manufacturers & businesses that sell guns. A lot of members of the NRA actually do support some gun control laws like background checks on all gun sales but the higherups in the NRA don't really care.

I think, what you say is true especially about the poor mental health system in your country, especially your US State which is considered "not popular enough" to receive appropriate mental health system or facilities.
In big cities, like New York City or Los Angeles, I'm pretty sure the mental health system is a lot better than places like, for example, Nebraska, Montana, Oklahoma, etc. All those states with small populations and large areas.
Since the US is a huge and diverse country, same goes for your mental health system - it seems to me. I can't promise that's 100% accurate, but based on what I have heard and seen about your country, that's how things are, more or less. Again, I would assume someone who grew up there would know more accurately than I do.
Indeed, any crazy dude who ran away from a psychiatric hospital can be dangerous.
Are there not enough psychiatric hospitals being built? Or is it just the initial thing you said, that "they didn't think" you are a threat to yourself or to other people around you?
They need to check more carefully before they reach such a conclusion, I think.
Here in Israel, if you say things like "I want to die" or "I don't like my life", they tie you down with ropes and prescribe the most extreme medication for you.


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11 Aug 2019, 10:09 am

Noam2353 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I think it's because in America we don't have :

1. Armed soldiers on every street.

2. Walled and gated ghettos where we keep our most despised citizens, just because they practice a different religion.

3. A ten-to-one retaliatory policy against terrorists, both domestic AND foreign.
None of that is here in Israel either...
Dude, I’ve been to Israel, from Golan to the Salt Sea, and from Tel Aviv to the West Bank. I’ve seen the soldiers. I’ve seen the ghettos. I’ve been stopped, searched, and questioned at the gated checkpoints. I’ve watched the news on a TV in Jerusalem about dozens of Palestinians getting shot because one of their kids threw a rock at an Israeli soldier.

Have you ever been to the U.S.? I doubt it. It never ceases to amaze me how often foreigners will pass judgement on my country without ever being here while ignoring worse conditions in their own countries.

Remove the tree from your own eye before pointing out the splinter in mine.


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