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27 Aug 2019, 1:01 pm

Acupuncture is defined as an intervention involving placing thin needles into specified acupuncture points in order to relieve symptoms or promote healing. What is special about the acupoints? They are supposed to be locations where the flow of life force (chi) can be manipulated. There are a few problems with the claims made for acupuncture. First, there is no place for vitalism – belief in a life force – in modern science. There is no evidence that it exists and no reason to hypothesize that it exists. It is worse than wrong. It is unnecessary. There is also [no convincing evidence](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupun ... esnt-work/), after a century of research and thousands of studies, that acupuncture works for anything.
But also, an independently fatal flaw in the notion of acupuncture is that there is no evidence that acupuncture points exist. They are a complete fiction. They have no basis in anatomy, physiology, neuroscience, biochemistry, or empirical evidence.


https://theness.com/neurologicablog/ind ... ont-exist/


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27 Aug 2019, 1:04 pm

Similar statements can be made for homeopathy -- it is complete fiction with no empirical evidence or any other basis in anatomy, physiology, neuroscience, biochemistry, et cetera.


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27 Aug 2019, 1:18 pm

"Cancer" "homeopathic remedies" gets 1,060,000 results not all of them will be pushing homeopathy as a cure . But even 1% doing so would be 10,600 of such dangerous sites .


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28 Aug 2019, 4:54 pm

Acupuncture works for gastroparesis, about 4 sessions in within a couple minutes of sticking the needles in the right places my nausea and feeling of fullness in my stomach was gone and replaced with hunger. If I had already eaten a meal I could even hear and feel my stomach emptying after a few minutes and I would be able to eat without feeling full after a few bites or feeling nauseous/vomiting.

Do I believe in that chi nonsense? no but I believe it works just for different reasons by triggering various nerves. It did absolutely nothing for any other illness I tried it for. If it was placebo, that's interesting that it didn't work on the first session and also interesting that it only worked for gastroparesis and not other illnesses I tried it for.

The same junk medical science news media sources will also try to sell the public that cannabis has no medical evidence whatsoever either for treating any illness.



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28 Aug 2019, 5:28 pm

Why post just to be critical of something? Does it make you feel better or superior to those who believe in what you are writing off as non-existent? There are countless examples of every day processes and methodologies that are accepted as normal that were radical concepts scoffed at by "modern science", say like pasteurization? or using anesthesia in surgical procedures. It takes open minded, out of the box thinkers to move civilization forward.


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28 Aug 2019, 8:03 pm

If some people feel better after an acupuncture or homeopathic treatment then there is no harm, so why worry?

The only harm is in expecting a communicable and/or fatal disease to be cured by one of these treatments, and thus foregoing any real treatment or cure from an appropriately trained and license medical professional.

The only ailment a homeopathic elixir will cure is dehydration, by the way.


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28 Aug 2019, 8:11 pm

Donald Morton wrote:
Why post just to be critical of something? Does it make you feel better or superior to those who believe in what you are writing off as non-existent? There are countless examples of every day processes and methodologies that are accepted as normal that were radical concepts scoffed at by "modern science", say like pasteurization? or using anesthesia in surgical procedures. It takes open minded, out of the box thinkers to move civilization forward.



I was not being personally critical , though I can see why you thought that due to my failure wrap the test in
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As for being open minded - not every frog turns into a handsome prince .


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29 Aug 2019, 4:59 am

Pressing down on my wrists always helps when I'm feeling nauseous.


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29 Aug 2019, 7:26 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Pressing down on my wrists always helps when I'm feeling nauseous.

Yeah I've used that before too, and it works. I'd use it more often if I didn't have pressure hives/dermographism. Usually the people who speak from their judgemental high horses speak from a privileged position of good health so they wouldn't even know what it's like to be sick let alone have the opportunity to try out the treatment options for themselves nor the necessity.



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29 Aug 2019, 9:37 pm

Its works. Call it placebo effect if you want to, but there's value in that. I took my body basal temperatures (BBT) for years, they were erratic and irregular. During my time of acupuncture they were smooth sinusoidal waves and regular to the hour. I have near 100 BBT charts in evidence. Actually I have a hard time believing that was purely placebo effect, so something happened there. I didn't do a analysis of acupuncture alone, combined with or TCM (herbs) alone, so can't separate those two. By the way, as an Electrical Engineer and systems oriented, I believe in the premise of acupuncture. I would like to know what a Bioengineer knows (excuse me if you are one). I read that auras are finally being "proven". To me that's a big "duh" (of course). My grandma born in early 1900s wrote to me about electrons and bodies --- she was never schooled, but she had instinct. To take it a step further from medicine, I am a scientist and I believe much of the paranormal is simply what we haven't formulized yet.



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30 Aug 2019, 5:05 am

I tried it once as I was offered a free session. I found it extremely relaxing and generally a very pleasant experience. It didn't do anything for the long term issue I had at the time which was resolved in a more conventional way. Admittedly though, I only had the one session. If they had offered me a full course of treatment with the option to pay by results I might well have given it a try.


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