LGBTQ Q for queer. Isn't that the same as "gay"?

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26 Sep 2019, 5:22 pm

I've heard that the Q in the LGBTQ acronym can mean queer as well as questioning. Isn't "queer" the same thing as "gay" though? Isn't having Q for "queer" like having H in the acronym for "homosexual" when there is already a G for "gay".



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26 Sep 2019, 6:41 pm

No, it's a common misconception. Q means "queer" or "questioning" whereas the G means "gay."


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26 Sep 2019, 7:02 pm

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No, it's a common misconception. Q means "queer" or "questioning" whereas the G means "gay."


Why doesn't the Q just mean "questioning" though? Since "queer" is the same thing as "gay" including it in the acronym is redundant.



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26 Sep 2019, 7:59 pm

NewTime wrote:
Why doesn't the Q just mean "questioning" though? Since "queer" is the same thing as "gay" including it in the acronym is redundant.
"Queer" originally meant "Odd" or "Eccentric", such as a man who wore lab coats instead of suit coats when running errands. Even George Carlin (1937-2008) recognized the difference between "homos" (gays) and "queers" in some of his routines.


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27 Sep 2019, 5:39 am

I have NEVER heard the word "queer" used to mean only "eccentric" (in a non sex or gender related way).

Obviously "queer" originally meant "odd". Like "gay" originally meant "happy/carefree".

In the pre WWII era the parents of the Boomers grew up in effeminate men were called "queer". So by implication queer meant 'homosexual male'.

Then in the Sixties and Seventies new terms came into vogue. In polite company you called homosexual men "gay", and in rough company you called them "fa***ts", or "homos". "Queer" became quaint, and passe'.

So yes, you would think that "queer" and "gay" would be redundant words for the same thing.

But apparently, as I understand it, in the last couple years the gay subculture has repurposed the word "queer" to mean "bi curious", or something like that. So if you're in the know about the latest lingo it now means something slightly different from just "solidly homosexual". So it isn't quite redundant anymore. I suppose.



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27 Sep 2019, 5:59 am

I've seen "queer street" used in English literature, which is basically their version of "skid row" I believe.



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27 Sep 2019, 7:53 am

I’ve heard “queer” used in all these senses.

I’ve heard women say to guys that they are “queer ducks,” meaning “odd.”

“Queer” meant “gay” to lots of people in the 70s, though older people tended to use that term. I didn’t know of gay=homosexual until the mid 70s.

Now, like others are saying, “queer” means one who is “questioning,” or perhaps are neutral sexually.



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27 Sep 2019, 7:57 am

naturalplastic wrote:
... in the last couple years the gay subculture has re-purposed the word "queer" to mean "bi curious", or something like that. So if you're in the know about the latest lingo it now means something slightly different from just "solidly homosexual"...
Maybe it's more of a catch-all term of miscellany for when even "queer" people aren't sure of their sexual identity.

I dunno. This thread is really just an academic exercise to me.


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27 Sep 2019, 7:58 am

Queer and Queen are only one letter apart and an 'r' is almost an 'n'.



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27 Sep 2019, 8:02 am

EzraS wrote:
Queer and Queen are only one letter apart and an 'r' is almost an 'n'.
And "Dog" is "God" spelled backwards; so whats your point, Ez?

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27 Sep 2019, 8:40 am

In this case, Ez is seeking to add a little bit of levity to the conversation :)

I don't know why: but I prefer Ezra to Ez. Ez sounds like some monster-type thingee.



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27 Sep 2019, 8:55 am

naturalplastic wrote:
I have NEVER heard the word "queer" used to mean only "eccentric" (in a non sex or gender related way).

Obviously "queer" originally meant "odd". Like "gay" originally meant "happy/carefree".

In the pre WWII era the parents of the Boomers grew up in effeminate men were called "queer". So by implication queer meant 'homosexual male'.

Then in the Sixties and Seventies new terms came into vogue. In polite company you called homosexual men "gay", and in rough company you called them "fa***ts", or "homos". "Queer" became quaint, and passe'.

So yes, you would think that "queer" and "gay" would be redundant words for the same thing.

But apparently, as I understand it, in the last couple years the gay subculture has repurposed the word "queer" to mean "bi curious", or something like that. So if you're in the know about the latest lingo it now means something slightly different from just "solidly homosexual". So it isn't quite redundant anymore. I suppose.
Queer originaly meant odd or ecentric that your right about.

Gay is not related to the english gay as in happy but the french gay as in girl,because Cary Grant was bisexual and used to say I'm feeling gay today.Meaning Im feeling girl today and thats where the term gay as in homosexual came from


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27 Sep 2019, 9:16 am

There are people who would prefer to distance themselves from gay communities. Not because they have a prejudice against them, but because their sexuality is outside what is expected in those communities, so they don't fit in socially. Nor do they fit in with normal people.



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27 Sep 2019, 9:18 am

vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
I have NEVER heard the word "queer" used to mean only "eccentric" (in a non sex or gender related way).

Obviously "queer" originally meant "odd". Like "gay" originally meant "happy/carefree".

In the pre WWII era the parents of the Boomers grew up in effeminate men were called "queer". So by implication queer meant 'homosexual male'.

Then in the Sixties and Seventies new terms came into vogue. In polite company you called homosexual men "gay", and in rough company you called them "fa***ts", or "homos". "Queer" became quaint, and passe'.

So yes, you would think that "queer" and "gay" would be redundant words for the same thing.

But apparently, as I understand it, in the last couple years the gay subculture has repurposed the word "queer" to mean "bi curious", or something like that. So if you're in the know about the latest lingo it now means something slightly different from just "solidly homosexual". So it isn't quite redundant anymore. I suppose.
Queer originaly meant odd or ecentric that your right about.

Gay is not related to the english gay as in happy but the french gay as in girl,because Cary Grant was bisexual and used to say I'm feeling gay today.Meaning Im feeling girl today and thats where the term gay as in homosexual came from


Never heard THAT theory before.

"Gay" (derived from the regular English "gay", meaning carefree and happy ) had been used for a couple of centuries in English for men who were fops, or dandies, or were heterosexual playboys, and or libertines. So you can imagine how, mid 20th century, that meaning could have evolved into meaning a "male homosexual".

But I suppose that it could have been purposely derived from French, and used as a codeword among mid Twentieth century homosexual men, like Carey Grant, to talk about their homosexuality.

Who knows?



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27 Sep 2019, 9:32 am

Then you have the term "genderqueer"---which usually means that one's gender is "fluid."



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27 Sep 2019, 9:48 am

Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Queer and Queen are only one letter apart and an 'r' is almost an 'n'.
And "Dog" is "God" spelled backwards; so whats your point, Ez?

:D


Just an observation. Queen and Queer are both applied to a gay male.