vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
I have NEVER heard the word "queer" used to mean only "eccentric" (in a non sex or gender related way).
Obviously "queer" originally meant "odd". Like "gay" originally meant "happy/carefree".
In the pre WWII era the parents of the Boomers grew up in effeminate men were called "queer". So by implication queer meant 'homosexual male'.
Then in the Sixties and Seventies new terms came into vogue. In polite company you called homosexual men "gay", and in rough company you called them "fa***ts", or "homos". "Queer" became quaint, and passe'.
So yes, you would think that "queer" and "gay" would be redundant words for the same thing.
But apparently, as I understand it, in the last couple years the gay subculture has repurposed the word "queer" to mean "bi curious", or something like that. So if you're in the know about the latest lingo it now means something slightly different from just "solidly homosexual". So it isn't quite redundant anymore. I suppose.
Queer originaly meant odd or ecentric that your right about.
Gay is not related to the english gay as in happy but the french gay as in girl,because Cary Grant was bisexual and used to say I'm feeling gay today.Meaning Im feeling girl today and thats where the term gay as in homosexual came from
Never heard THAT theory before.
"Gay" (derived from the regular English "gay", meaning carefree and happy ) had been used for a couple of centuries in English for men who were fops, or dandies, or were heterosexual playboys, and or libertines. So you can imagine how, mid 20th century, that meaning could have evolved into meaning a "male homosexual".
But I suppose that it could have been purposely derived from French, and used as a codeword among mid Twentieth century homosexual men, like Carey Grant, to talk about their homosexuality.
Who knows?