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12 May 2019, 8:37 am

Is being good in all domains? A POV put forward by someone on another forum. He/she had obviously never heard of 2e /learning difficulty(UK terminology).


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12 May 2019, 10:32 am

firemonkey wrote:
Is being good in all domains? A POV put forward by someone on another forum. He/she had obviously never heard of 2e /learning difficulty(UK terminology).


I assume POV is Point of View.
and 2e/learning difficulty means twice exceptional. It refers to gifted children who have some form of disability.
and "in all domains" means "in all areas". It sounds like computer terminology.

So if that is the question that you are asking I would say NO.

Gifted children have excelled in some areas. Some specialize in music; some in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM); some in writing and poetry; some in the trades; some in philosophy; some in language; and other areas. So I may be good in STEM but poor when it comes to foreign languages. I may be good in the trades, after all I built my own home but poor in other areas.

Since the title of the thread is Real Intelligence?, there are people who have very high IQs but sometimes they find it difficult to translate that into real life. Sometimes these individuals are referred to as Smart/Stupid or lacking Common Sense. Some of these individuals have been so maligned over the course of their lives that they will not speak up. They just stay silent. They know the answers but will stay silent, they will bite their tongue.


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12 May 2019, 1:11 pm

firemonkey wrote:
Is being good in all domains? A POV put forward by someone on another forum. He/she had obviously never heard of 2e /learning difficulty(UK terminology).


Einstein probably couldn't change a tire, or win at poker, and would have sucked as a salesman. But despite his limited aptitude in many areas most would still call him a genius. On the other hand an "idiot savant" who cant speak nor dress himself, but can play the piano better than Chopin and Duke Ellington combined is still an "idiot"...oops...I mean is "a person who is intellectually challenged".



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13 May 2019, 2:33 am

Some background to this thread. I'm having an exchange of words on another forum with someone who is pushing the line that being intelligent is about being good in all 'domains'.
He is pushing the line that I can't have a learning disability(US terminology) because I participate on that forum and post articles. He's saying ,in so many words ,that I'm just thick.

He very much shows the ignorance many people have re the issue of learning disabilities .


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13 May 2019, 7:51 am

Let me interject another phrase into this conversation. It is "Renaissance man".

A polymath (Greek: πολυμαθής, polymathēs, "having learned much"; Latin: homo universalis, "universal man") is a person whose expertise spans a significant number of subject areas, known to draw on complex bodies of knowledge to solve specific problems.

In Western Europe, the first work to use polymathy in its title (De Polymathia tractatio: integri operis de studiis veterum) was published in 1603 by Johann von Wowern (de), a Hamburg philosopher.

Von Wowern defined polymathy as "knowledge of various matters, drawn from all kinds of studies [...] ranging freely through all the fields of the disciplines, as far as the human mind, with unwearied industry, is able to pursue them". Von Wowern lists erudition, literature, philology, philomathy and polyhistory as synonyms. The related term, polyhistor, is an ancient term with similar meaning.

Polymaths include the great thinkers of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment who excelled at several fields in science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and the arts. In the Italian Renaissance, the idea of the polymath was expressed by Leon Battista Alberti (1404–1472) in the statement that "a man can do all things if he will".

Embodying a basic tenet of Renaissance humanism that humans are limitless in their capacity for development, the concept led to the notion that people should embrace all knowledge and develop their capacities as fully as possible. This is expressed in the term "Renaissance man", often applied to the gifted people of that age who sought to develop their abilities in all areas of accomplishment: intellectual, artistic, social and physical.


Source: Polymath

Some Aspies have the ability to become Renaissance men or women. As an Aspie we tend to have a special interest which we research down through many, many layers becoming experts in a specific field. Then we tire and a new interest comes along. After awhile we have collected a number of special interest. But during the process we have educated ourselves with the tools of researching information. And we can learn a new field or subject on our own with ease. We also make the interconnects between different disciplines.


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13 May 2019, 5:57 pm

"real intelligence"?

Dictionary definition is too vague

"Fake intelligence"?

Savant

Mensa, genius

Polymath



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13 May 2019, 6:07 pm

sounds like the guy on the site is personally dissing you because you're smart in some "domains" (whatever that means)that he isn't smart in.



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13 May 2019, 6:18 pm

There is no unbiased way to measure intelligence

Intelligence changes



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14 May 2019, 9:16 am

Real intelligence to me is being able to apply your knowledge, normal social understanding and having common sense.



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14 May 2019, 10:02 am

Personally I think they are over simplifying a very complicated question.
Most of us humans are more intelligent than average in some departments, and less gifted in others. Kid at school I went to with was a child prodigy, A's right across the board without even trying. Still hasn't passed his driving test after 4 attempts.


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16 May 2019, 8:21 am

there are no polymaths nowadays .. everything is too specialized .. doesnt stop us from having fun tho ..



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16 May 2019, 8:37 am

My partner said I was a polymath. I'll learn stuff to a high level of expertise and move on to something else. Then, if I need to, I can still do the old stuff again. I've done math I haven't used in decades when the need arose. Of course, I can't remember the face of someone I saw yesterday. :roll:

The Internet makes all sorts of specialized information readily available. I've fixed most of my appliances using Youtube videos, increasing their lifetime by a factor of two or three and saving me lots of money. :D Which allows me to buy tools and machines to play with.

Perhaps the biggest savings one morning was doing a bit of cabinetry work and electrical work for a new slide in range for my kitchen!



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17 May 2019, 4:37 pm

Polymoth. A parrot that keeps flying into candles...

Polymath. A parrot that knows his times tables....

Ok... Enough humour. I find I am not usually a quick thinker, but I am a very deep thinker who will be exploring a lot of avenues of a subject rather then just skim the surface. It is one reason why I find it difficult to come straight to the point. Is this intelligence or not? Well, generally speaking when I was in school I was a little above average in most subjects except languages. If one had a class of about 30 I usually came around the 8th place roughly speaking. However, looking back, the few subjects I only did well in when they were being taught by certain teachers.


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17 May 2019, 11:24 pm

Polymouth-Another name for someone who has a big mouth.