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06 Sep 2008, 6:16 pm

Does anyone else find it hard to interpret a piece of art, such as a painting? I took an art history class last year, and it seemed like I had trouble seeing past the superficial. Same story more recently when we had to interpret these Norman Rockwell paintings. Everyone else seemed to be able to read the artist's intent, and to see significant features in the works that I just missed. I can tell the teacher what I see, but not much more than that. I can't seem to discern the mood, or what the figures are thinking. Maybe it's part of the "social blindness" I've heard about.

When I hear someone analyzing art, someone who seems to have this ability, some of what I hear I could take or leave, but some of it really does seem pretty astute. And so I'm left wondering, are these art critics just pretentious bullshitters, or is there really such a thing as an ability to deeply read the meaning of a piece of art?

(and yes I'm aware there is a more appropriate forum for this question, but it's deserted)



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06 Sep 2008, 6:26 pm

I dont have patience for reading or trying to understand poetry.. but im okay to write it



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06 Sep 2008, 6:27 pm

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just pretentious bullshitters,


That's my vote.

I am an artist. There is plenty of symbolism is some of what I do. More artists have more of that than others, but pretending to see this or that manifestation of emotion or a civil or social conundrum, or some other representation of the human condition is (in my experience) truly speculative on the part of the viewer of said art. If they are an 'expert' by whatever consensus decides such things, and their opinion is listened to by many (with a lot of money :wink: ), it's usually still just hand waving (in my opinion.)

Some art has a pretty definitive emotional punch so to speak, as in it will elicit a common emotional response in the majority of viewers, but... nothing is absolute. Most mens rage represented can be one mans healing or strength.

Art is subjective.

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06 Sep 2008, 7:28 pm

I try not to 'read' too much into art. I get more revved up about the colors and textures. I am more of a fan of old art, sculpture especially. I can stare forever at a peice of art and be transported through time.

I used to create quite a bit of art when I was younger...not so much now. I always thought it was rather interesting to hear other's impression. They were usually quite wrong.



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06 Sep 2008, 9:10 pm

I interpret all art this way: "What a piece of crap!"

I find this method really quick and efficient.

All of that being said, I can't interpret art, I can sometimes show a poetic streak at times, but I can't read poetry.



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06 Sep 2008, 11:03 pm

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Does anyone else find it hard to interpret a piece of art, such as a painting? I took an art history class last year, and it seemed like I had trouble seeing past the superficial. Same story more recently when we had to interpret these Norman Rockwell paintings. Everyone else seemed to be able to read the artist's intent, and to see significant features in the works that I just missed. I can tell the teacher what I see, but not much more than that. I can't seem to discern the mood, or what the figures are thinking. Maybe it's part of the "social blindness" I've heard about.

When I hear someone analyzing art, someone who seems to have this ability, some of what I hear I could take or leave, but some of it really does seem pretty astute. And so I'm left wondering, are these art critics just pretentious bullshitters, or is there really such a thing as an ability to deeply read the meaning of a piece of art?

(and yes I'm aware there is a more appropriate forum for this question, but it's deserted)


Do you have this problem only with painting that have human figures? How about abstracts or landscapes? It makes sense that an Aspie would have trouble reading the emotions on faces or figuring out nonverbal cues expressed by people in paintings.


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06 Sep 2008, 11:12 pm

The people are hard to figure out. In one of the Rockwell illustrations I mentioned, I found that I had completely missed the point of what was going on in the picture socially.

As for abstracts, I don't think there's very much there to interpret anyway... a Jackson Pollock for example, just a bunch of randomness. And if anyone reads any deeper meaning into it than that, that's when I know they're full of it.



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06 Sep 2008, 11:22 pm

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The people are hard to figure out. In one of the Rockwell illustrations I mentioned, I found that I had completely missed the point of what was going on in the picture socially.

As for abstracts, I don't think there's very much there to interpret anyway... a Jackson Pollock for example, just a bunch of randomness. And if anyone reads any deeper meaning into it than that, that's when I know they're full of it.


Not necessarily full of it -- they just probably have a different perspective than you do. Abstracts are extremely subjective. Everyone will see something different in them, even if that something is just randomness or pretty shapes or colors. Now, if someone looks at an abstract and just repeats what they heard someone else say about it, then they're full of it.


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07 Sep 2008, 1:02 pm

I always find it fascinating to read about Mona Lisa's smile- how do those people get all that info from a face of a woman with a subtle grin? LOL



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07 Sep 2008, 2:33 pm

Yes, I have some problems with analyzing art, especially modern art; also jazz are strange disharmonic and disturbing sounds for me. But many people says the same and they are not aspies...


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07 Sep 2008, 4:21 pm

Ford_Prefect wrote:
also jazz are strange disharmonic and disturbing sounds for me. But many people says the same and they are not aspies...


I love jazz, apart from free jazz which I find disharmonic



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07 Sep 2008, 5:50 pm

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I always find it fascinating to read about Mona Lisa's smile- how do those people get all that info from a face of a woman with a subtle grin? LOL


The latest theory I've heard is that she was pregnant. The experts analyzed various physical features and decided that she was experiencing that peaceful, happy feeling some women get when they're pregnant.


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07 Sep 2008, 7:48 pm

I am an artist, I belong to an association of artist and together we have a gallery/studio where we show our work. I get the chance to listen to many people analyze my and other's work...it's silly. I specialize in motorsports work (not very deep stuff) it is great to hear folks ponder some of this.
As far as Rockwell goes, he was very talented, but it is what it is. A kid getting a shot in the butt at an oldey-time doctor's office is just that. Nice (slightly boring) Americana.



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07 Sep 2008, 8:07 pm

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just pretentious bullshitters,


That's my vote.

I am an artist. There is plenty of symbolism is some of what I do. More artists have more of that than others, but pretending to see this or that manifestation of emotion or a civil or social conundrum, or some other representation of the human condition is (in my experience) truly speculative on the part of the viewer of said art. If they are an 'expert' by whatever consensus decides such things, and their opinion is listened to by many (with a lot of money :wink: ), it's usually still just hand waving (in my opinion.)

Some art has a pretty definitive emotional punch so to speak, as in it will elicit a common emotional response in the majority of viewers, but... nothing is absolute. Most mens rage represented can be one mans healing or strength.

Art is subjective.

For what it is worth.


Exactly.

I hate analyzing literature for the same reason, unless it's something clearly intentional on the author's behalf, and isn't some huge overwrought metaphor that's generally utter cliche.

Art is meant to have personal meaning to the viewer, so I think it's silly do decide something only means one thing. Goes for my art and writing as much as for anyone elses'.


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07 Sep 2008, 8:58 pm

CelticRose wrote:
The latest theory I've heard is that she was pregnant. The experts analyzed various physical features and decided that she was experiencing that peaceful, happy feeling some women get when they're pregnant.


I don't know what it is about these "experts"... maybe they just like randomly speculating about things they know can't be proven (ie, wasting time).