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EmberEyes
Deinonychus
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28 Jun 2013, 2:16 pm

torquemada wrote:
The way I see it, if you're going to hang it out, you want it looked at. You have an absolute right to walk down a street stark naked without being molested, but for all our "moral development" we're just bald monkeys and run as much by primitive urges as intellectual. Before I get jumped on, I'm talking about feelings, NOT inexcuseable actions, and have always immediately and respectfully paid attention to a "No".

100% agreed! But there is a big difference between -looking- and -grabbing-.
torquemada wrote:
I personally feel that teen girl and women's magazines have a lot of blame to accept for the excess of sexualisation in society and the skewed perceptions of what "men" find desirable, at least in the opinion of many women.

Is it really the womans magazines, or the men's magazines? Women have always been taught in one way or the other to please men. Just take shaving. Do you really think being bald 'down there' came from a woman's magazine, or the more sexually explicit male versions? But somehow we pervert this into thinking that it's more hygenic or any other excuse, and now even young girls barely in puberty is doing it.
torquemada wrote:
I WOULDN'T say "nice breasts" to a strange woman, but fail to understand why I am expected to be flattered by a woman grabbing my anatomy and commenting on it ( e.g. butt, arms, and on one occasion, crotch).whether favourably or not, without my permission to do so.

This is just as unacceptable as a man grabbing or commenting on a woman's anatomy.
torquemada wrote:
Rape is about power more than sex, and is abhorrent. So is hypocrisy. If you stick cleavage in my face, receptors are going to click & whirr, and my brain will go "mmmmm........boobs". As an animal with the urge to reproduce I'm programmed to look! However as a "moral" person I respect your right to wave it around and still be treated respectfully.

100% agreement!
torquemada wrote:
Individualistic and societal attitudes, advertising and media present constant reasons for not respecting this person or that person or group, and being ignorant and ill-mannered, manipulative and intolerant are viewed as desirable traits by too many.

Attitudes are changed generationally, I believe that people should be respected as people, simple as that. Your gender does NOT denote your worthiness as a human being, and the sooner WE teach OUR kids that, the sooner we can have a positive effect on these issues.

True too.



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28 Jun 2013, 4:37 pm

Thank you! First time I've ever posted in a woman's forum without being abused for my existence!

The magazine issue is a thorny one, I guess. However... every issue of cosmo or just 17 has something to do with sex on the cover, and women's fashion is in women's magazines, being worn by skinny airbrushed models. Mothers dress their 6 year old girls in mini skirts and allow young girls (too young imo) to wear make up.

Women & girls are cynically manipulated by publishers of their own sex for profit in the name of "empowerment" and told that it's the fault of all those nasty men with their dreadful "patriarchy". Some of the most appalling chauvinistic sexist drivel on TV can be observed on shows like loose women, only its non-pc to complain about it, because man-bashing sexism is somehow all right.

"Men" are actually hugely diverse in their tastes regarding things like body shape and personal topiary, believe it or not! Some women don't like beards or hairy chests or backs, and appreciate being pandered to, some men don't like snuggling up to a hedgehog or choking on hair, if you get my drift.... The bald thing, well, media (porn) wise it gives clearer close up pictures, but hairy porn gets hits too, lol.

Shaving anything is ultimately a personal choice and should be considered as such. Personally, I think if topiary is really a dealbreaker, you're in the wrong relationship. I, er, "groom" a bit, for various reasons. I don't particularly like to see a complete baldy as it makes me feel a bit weird, but - Apples & Coconuts, that's all I'm saying on that one, lol.

No-one to my knowledge has ever polled "all men" about these things. I don't feel that having standards of expectation regarding grooming & maintenance in a partner is necessarily wrong in either direction as long as there's give and take. What 2 people do to please each other is no-one's business but theirs!


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