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06 Dec 2008, 1:42 pm

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Also worrying is not a classic trait of AS or autism, are you sure it isn't a false diagnosis? Most AS people I know want to know about their weaknesses out of pure curiosity rather than self-pity.
I definitely have AS. Just because I'm not like the aspies you know doesn't mean I'm not an aspie.
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Plus take whatever IQ test you were given and either shred it or add 20 points to it, most tests are based off of communication which, unfortunately, is often times our weakest area hence a proper and accurate IQ test is extremely difficult to administer because of our communication abilities.
I've never taken/been given an IQ test.
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You should feel special, just think, you have what Einstein had, descriptions of him show strong resemblances to AS from what I can tell. Plus he has the classic AS "extreme absorption is certain areas"
Einstein could do all sorts of things that I can't.



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06 Dec 2008, 1:53 pm

I am trapped by my naivity :evil:



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06 Dec 2008, 1:57 pm

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I think I get what you mean. I went through something similar for a bit, but you have to remember that nothing's actually changed. You're still exactly the same as you were before your diagnosis. Also, don't use the Dx as an excuse or a crutch. Just do whatever you did before and forget it, since that's what you did anyway to get where you are now when you didn't have a definitive explanation for that invisible wall. At this point, it's the pretext you might as well work under.
I was diagnosed just over 3 years ago. If I had kept doing what I had been doing before I knew, I'd be a lot worse off than I am now. Before I knew, I had all sorts of problems, many of which I didn't know I had, and nobody else knew either. After my diagnosis, I knew what to work on and I got help from outside sources. I'm not exactly the same as I was before my diagnosis. I've become a more mature, insightful person and I have more social success than I ever did before.



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06 Dec 2008, 2:00 pm

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One thing you have to remember: most of these Aspies are all different ages. When you are twenty five and have a few years of college, you could very well sound like the Aspies on WP who you think are more intelligent than you. They could be the future you!
Except that one of the aspies that I know personally that I feel inferior to is three and a half years younger than me.



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06 Dec 2008, 2:11 pm

Meh. Some people are just geniuses. My lil sister is probably a genius; we haven't had her tested yet, but she's breezing through schoolwork two years ahead of time and writing novels to relax. She's fourteen... oh, yeah, and Aspie. We don't know how she'll do on her own yet.

There's always going to be somebody out there who's really good at something. If you want to compare yourself to other people, you're going to find the top-one-percent types who, if you judge your value by your skills, make you feel pretty inferior.

Solution: Stop judging peoples' value by what they can do... It's kind of mean to the people who can't do a lot, in any case. The Down syndrome guy who collects carts at the supermarket isn't any less valuable than the businessman who owns it, right? So stop judging yourself by saying "I can't do this" and "I'm good at that"... Nothing wrong with knowing your abilities; but cut the strings between that and your value, because they're totally unrelated. You don't have to justify your existence to the world.


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06 Dec 2008, 2:17 pm

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When I accepted my AS diagnosis, I started to notice the things about me that are caused by it a lot more. I started to feel my limitations, but when I didn't know about my limitations I didn't feel limited! Every day (or at least every school day) I have problems because of my AS and I tell myself it's not my fault, it's because I have AS. When I'm bad at something, I blame my AS. Certain things I don't even try because "I can't do that because I have AS". Most days I really hate my AS. I feel trapped by it, but I can't escape it. It's a part of me.

I feel inferior. Not just because I have AS. I feel inferior to other aspies, because I see aspies who are better than me. Aspies with high IQs, aspies who can remember when they were three years old, aspies with photographic memories, aspies who have less AS-related problems, aspies who can do things that I can't do because of my AS (though they have AS too, I figure they must not have the same impairments).

Some of you are going to say that I should appreciate what I have, but what I have is less than satisfactory. I believe that I have more flaws than most people, and/or that my flaws are more significant (I'm bad at everything that matters, while other people are bad at things that it's more acceptable to be bad at). I also feel that my few strengths are less significant (The stuff I'm good at doesn't matter much and won't get me anywhere in life).

Is it all in my head? Can I actually do more than I realise? Even if it is all in my head, I can't change the way I think. I really am trapped. But is it by AS or is it by my negative way of thinking?


I'll tell you a "secret", although many here said about as much. HERE, there is a gimic going around about a kind of positive thinking. It is called "the secret". Frankly, I don't believe it, but it is kind of TRUE when it comes to skills and intelligence.

The secret? Act like, and believe that, you have a CHANCE! HECK, I wanted to learn 6502 machine and assembly. It was considered one of the hardest computer languages to learn. Before I knew it, I was writing relatively complicated programs with little effort. I wrote a modem driver that required 6502 assembly, z80 assembly, and knowledge of two proprietary APIS(The 6502 driver recieved instructions from the z80 driver, had to operate the modem, and send results back to the z80 driver which communicated with CP/M.). I wrote a program that was like one a guy named peter later wrote and called "norton utilities", in assembly. I even wrote a DNC program for a guy that ran multiple channels simultaneously, and a remote messaging system for a BBS I wrote.

If I were a technophobe, and believed I had no chance, I probably wouldn't even have tried the aptly named BASIC language. IT is considered to be one of the EASIEST languages to learn.

HECK, I act like I have FAR more confidence, than I do, at my job. USUALLY, it is easier than I thought, and people even wonder out loud about what I CAN'T do.

My point is simply that the quickest route to failure is to never try.



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06 Dec 2008, 2:19 pm

I hate to repeat but it is so much about perspective.

I went through so many phases and realized that those who are told it is a difference are so fortunate.

I just keep that mantra up.........so much of they way we view ourselves is expectation and who we are suppsoed to react.

It is something we each have to figure......I hope you are able to use all the info here to help you formulate a good view of yourself. :-)



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06 Dec 2008, 6:36 pm

I feel better now, but I'm sure I'll start feeling inferior again after a day or two of school. I've already been told a lot of the things people have said in this thread. It didn't work last time. But hopefully the next time I see an aspie who's better than me, I'll remind myself not to measure people's worth by what they can do. Which reminds me: I was going to ask "how do you measure someone's worth if not by their skills?"



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06 Dec 2008, 7:02 pm

DJRnold wrote:
I feel better now, but I'm sure I'll start feeling inferior again after a day or two of school. I've already been told a lot of the things people have said in this thread. It didn't work last time. But hopefully the next time I see an aspie who's better than me, I'll remind myself not to measure people's worth by what they can do. Which reminds me: I was going to ask "how do you measure someone's worth if not by their skills?"


I'd bet you that EVERYONE on this board feels someone else is better than they are in some way, and wishes they had the same ability. I've already said I do.



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06 Dec 2008, 7:31 pm

The limits are not because of the autism they are because you have been beaten psychologically, until you win the battle you will be severally limited. Break the chains that bind you, and walk upon the unbeaten path that you wish to walk, do not allow others to control you, because only by being free psychologically will you ever hope to see your true potential!



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06 Dec 2008, 7:37 pm

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The limits are not because of the autism they are because you have been beaten psychologically, until you win the battle you will be severally limited. Break the chains that bind you, and walk upon the unbeaten path that you wish to walk, do not allow others to control you, because only by being free psychologically will you ever hope to see your true potential!
If I actually can't do something then I can't do it. Convincing myself that I can do it won't make me able to do it.



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06 Dec 2008, 9:33 pm

DJRnold wrote:
philosopherBoi wrote:
The limits are not because of the autism they are because you have been beaten psychologically, until you win the battle you will be severally limited. Break the chains that bind you, and walk upon the unbeaten path that you wish to walk, do not allow others to control you, because only by being free psychologically will you ever hope to see your true potential!
If I actually can't do something then I can't do it. Convincing myself that I can do it won't make me able to do it.



Your wrong the only chains that bind you down are the ones you allow yourself to wear, once you refuse to wear them they instantly fall away. To put it simply you decide what you can and cannot do their is no such thing as impossibility when you have faith in yourself.



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06 Dec 2008, 9:40 pm

No, there is such a thing as impossibility. Just because Asperger's is mental doesn't mean it isn't real.

What's impossible, though, will be specific things--things like judging people's emotions, staying away from special interests, getting rid of clumsiness, etc. If you have a big goal--say, you want to become a doctor--there will usually be ways around the impossibilities to get to that goal. You may have to do things in an odd way, or modify the goal slightly (say, become a cardiologist instead of a surgeon if you've got clumsy fingers); but usually, with a big goal like that, it will not be impossible.

You DO have to be committed. Thinking up ways to get to a goal when you've got impossibilities to work around does take commitment, especially when it's easier for other people. If you have low levels of will power, you've got to work with that, too.

The thing not to do, is insist you can do something just the way everybody else can, and keep slamming against a brick wall trying to break through, instead of walking around it. If you're thinking "I'm not trying hard enough", you're probably up against a wall, and trying harder probably won't help. Or, if it will help, it's probably that you've got a problem with will-power itself, and have to address that... Just beating yourself up for not being able to will yourself to perform at peak level isn't going to do any good.


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06 Dec 2008, 9:47 pm

"I haven't failed; I've found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas A. Edison.

This is one of my all-time favorite quotes. As long as you keep trying, you haven't yet failed. Failure is in giving up. Keep trying, give it another go, come at it from a different angle. You may not be able to change your weaknesses, but if you change your defeatist way of thinking then you'll find that obstacles can and will be overridden. Keep at it! :)


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06 Dec 2008, 10:07 pm

Yes, and don't keep trying one of the 10,000 ways that don't work!


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06 Dec 2008, 11:51 pm

Grow up. That is all.


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