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andrewTheAndroid
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16 Apr 2013, 9:29 am

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I can definitely relate to this. The need to create order increases, for me, when under stress. For example, bagging things at Walmart--my mind was on a lot of other things today, and I was feeling increasingly freaked out (sensory stuff aside). My reaction: "organize" each bag, even beyond the usual "frozen with frozen, fridged with fridged, keep chemicals away from food," etc.

I mean put stuff in the same bag that seemed (to me) to "go together", even if it didn't really matter (clothing with hair accessories, shampoo with soap and paper products, etc.). It didn't seem to matter to the customers one way or the other, but I was literally reaching across the counter to put these things together.

There is a certain comfort that comes out of creating order, even in small ways. (Of course, you'd never know it to see my room right now--"organized chaos", anyone?)


Absolutely. Same here. I love analyzing and organizing numbers in cryptography, code in programming, and words in writing, but I hate making my bed or picking up my floor. (However, I have come to believe that I am messy because when I try to be neat, I become OCD and then everything has to be perfect, and so it's easier to just say 'screw it'. This way I'm not sitting on the floor picking out grains of sand and dirt--after vacuuming--like I would do sometimes as a kid.)

I play with numbers in my head when I'm stressed out or being chewed out or whatever. Now I understand why in my youth I did this weird thing whenever my mom would give me her epically long speeches: I would multiply numbers by 3 obsessively and repetitively the whole time. I got so good at it that I can multiply up to 5, 6, even 7 digit numbers by 3 almost instantly even today. Just a party favor really (and not even a popular one, trust me), but now I have a context for understanding why I did that.


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06 Jul 2014, 2:52 pm

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I think you nailed it when you said you think all human endeavors are an attempt to create order out of chaos. I don't think this description should be limited to people with ASD. However, it can be argued that people with ASD may be more sensitive to disorder and chaos, and therefore they have a stronger motivation to create order.


Some men just want to watch the world burn. Do you think the unibomber, Lanza, or Loughner were trying to create order? Do you think most anarchists want order? Most human endeavors are an attempt to create order, but not all.



Actually I think you'll find that Anarchism is a movement that aims to create horizontal and non - hierarchical order through voluntary association and cooperation.

Are you really unfamiliar with it to the degree that you think anarchists burn things and kill people for fun and that their aim is to create chaos? If so you must have got all your knowledge of it from sensationalist media.



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07 Jul 2014, 11:01 am

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i dig this. 8)


Me too - what a novel and interestingly appropriate viewpoint.


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07 Jul 2014, 4:34 pm

Accepting and submitting to chaos was one of the most liberating things I have done in my life. I have never looked back.


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07 Jul 2014, 6:40 pm

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Accepting and submitting to chaos was one of the most liberating things I have done in my life. I have never looked back.


:thumright:


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07 Jul 2014, 10:40 pm

DukeJanTheGrey wrote:
Accepting and submitting to chaos was one of the most liberating things I have done in my life. I have never looked back.


for me also chaos is the new order - got tired of trying to make sense of my existence and now go with the crazy flow! I have also in my time met anarchists who did not have black moustaches or carry fizzing bombs.

I don't look back - it is so untidy back there! 8O


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07 Jul 2014, 10:54 pm

eggheadjr wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
i dig this. 8)


Me too - what a novel and interestingly appropriate viewpoint.


And me too.



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09 Jul 2014, 1:02 am

Order to chaos...
That would be described as anti-entropy.
Self organizing system intelligence brings it.
The Borg also bring it.

It's easy to be fooled by what you observe on the surface of something. Sometimes what appears to be chaotic is actually a system trying to bring itself back into order, or more sustainable state.

The rat population density experiment comes to mind here.
In a large container were put some rats and x-ration of food.
They quickly reproduced to a point where the population density reached a critical mass relative to the resources available. Once that point was reached something switched in the brains of the rats. They became much more aggressive, acted oddly, and began to kill and eat each other.
On the surface this behavior looks like insanity or chaos.
The actual insanity was the behavior that was physically unsustainable.
The rats were bringing themselves back into order collectively to be a more efficient match for their environment.
We are often too quick to judge things conceptually.

From my own observations, most NTs think they are attempting to bring order, but in reality increase chaos. Their methods are different and flawed because their thoughts are controlled by conceptual algorithms (imagination). The conceptual world of imagination is not bound or limited by the laws of physics, and so it produces results that are sustainable in the imagination, NOT sustainable out in the real world.



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09 Jul 2014, 9:07 am

Abstract_Logic wrote:
I think you nailed it when you said you think all human endeavors are an attempt to create order out of chaos. I don't think this description should be limited to people with ASD. However, it can be argued that people with ASD may be more sensitive to disorder and chaos, and therefore they have a stronger motivation to create order.


I agree with this. For me, I cannot deal with chaos. I causes confusion and distress.