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04 Sep 2025, 6:14 am

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It's one of the main reasons why I keep my diagnosis to myself

It's like having your struggles completely invalidated when people say that

It's rude

To me it's like saying to a person in a wheelchair: "oh we all have days when we can't be arsed walking"


Exactly. I can agree that it might be factually right to some degree, but also to me it makes me think "So should I not ask for help and understanding then? I'll just be quiet about it".
Maybe I'll use your analogy next time.



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04 Sep 2025, 7:37 am

babybird wrote:
It's one of the main reasons why I keep my diagnosis to myself

It's like having your struggles completely invalidated when people say that

It's rude

To me it's like saying to a person in a wheelchair: "oh we all have days when we can't be arsed walking"

Yes. Keep in mind that in the eyes of others, we're normal.
The point is, they see very little of us.

As for the rest, we're all autistic, it's a bit like saying, you're not, I am too, we all are.
Denying the evidence.

The most absurd thing is that my partner told me this, even attending my diagnosis and reading it.

And as soon as we met: we talked specifically about autism.


Now she takes me on anti-anxiety medication, she made an appointment with the autism doctor, she told her about my impairments, she understands that I have special human qualities (human, not autistic), she's sincere, always kind to her...

This denial of the evidence in a person with a special IQ, because she is special...

but she's not autistic at all, nor even on the spectrum.

This way of thinking of hers is devastating to me.

He knows it very well, yet he changes it at will.

For me, communication is essential.

If that's missing, and considering we've been together for 14 years...



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04 Sep 2025, 8:56 am

The more accurate statement is most people have some autistic traits.

Three basic reasons people say Everyone’s a little autistic

1. Lack of and incorrect knowledge about autism.

2. Misguided attempt to be sympathetic via bonding over “something we have in common”.

3. To scold by implicitly saying “We all have our problems, the reason I am successful and you are not is because you are an attention seeking snowflake, Stop whining, try harder”.

It is hard to know the intent behind the statement, thus knowing whether to be put off, or pissed off.


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04 Sep 2025, 11:48 am

When they knew I'm autistic, they couldn't seem to say that to me.

Probably because I don't mask.
The way I pass in public is more like not being too impulsive as opposed to social inhibitions and masking.

My own type of autism is more than just the social awkwardness and everyday "flaws" or usual forms of human error.

When they look at me, they won't see social awkwardness or quirkiness, they see something else that they wouldn't able to relate. Some people could see it.


And when they try to parallel my experiences and traits to theirs, I can always explain how that will fall out.

It's almost as different as being a native who just awkwardly do not vibe from a crowd, from being a foreigner abroad that cannot go home.
"Everyone is awkward/feel like they're out of place sometimes" but is the latter the norm's perpetual reality? Clearly not.

Or that their occasional forgetfulness and clumsiness do not routinely make them go back and forth and waste more time and energy, or break things in accident.
Like, they can't seem to fathom that and how annoying that would be.

Or that their own version of sensory intolerance is a preference, and not a lack of filter -- do they, like, wear hearing aides that do not modulate background noise and loudness for basically 24/7?
Like yeah. That'll make them think if their brand of intolerance is something completely unegotiable as opposed to some occasional stuff one had to bear for maturity's sake.

Or their brand of interest engagement or passion is the same.
Well, I'll pretend that walking is my special interest, and challenge them to walk several hours straight without a break or an outcome or goal in mind except for just walking -- and disregard the weather, the time, hunger and thirst -- and pretend to do this for the lulz. They'd likely back out. :lol:


And the way I process language is blatantly too different from some, that their everyday confusions from me is very clear even disregarding all the body language and tone factors -- they would had to brace themselves from getting me or themselves confused by me.

Or that strangers even point it out themselves.
It more or less helps that I do not give an impression that I was even raised on the same city, the way I speak had a distinct way to it and my appearance suggests different lineage.


So no...
I can very much embody being this unrelatable and unquestionable form of autism without being "a severe case" or accuse me of "acting special". :roll:


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04 Sep 2025, 12:04 pm

I don't call myself autistic. I refer to myself as an Aspie here. Sometimes I might use "autistic" when posting but I still don't count myself as autistic. But other people here will, and this is an autism forum, so I'm not going to expect everyone to play my game, but it's just how I feel. Autism is too strong a term for me. But that's just my take on my own diagnosis, I'm not trying to tell others how to use the A-word.


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04 Sep 2025, 12:26 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The more accurate statement is most people have some autistic traits.

Three basic reasons people say Everyone’s a little autistic

1. Lack of and incorrect knowledge about autism.

2. Misguided attempt to be sympathetic via bonding over “something we have in common”.

3. To scold by implicitly saying “We all have our problems, the reason I am successful and you are not is because you are an attention seeking snowflake, Stop whining, try harder”.

It is hard to know the intent behind the statement, thus knowing whether to be put off, or pissed off.

I really like what you write.
By the way, it's really nice to see people writing sensible, logical, relevant, and valid things!

Yes.
I'd say especially 1 and 3.
2 can happen too.

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Your is a great post!)



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04 Sep 2025, 12:44 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The more accurate statement is most people have some autistic traits.

Three basic reasons people say Everyone’s a little autistic

1. Lack of and incorrect knowledge about autism.

2. Misguided attempt to be sympathetic via bonding over “something we have in common”.

3. To scold by implicitly saying “We all have our problems, the reason I am successful and you are not is because you are an attention seeking snowflake, Stop whining, try harder”.

It is hard to know the intent behind the statement, thus knowing whether to be put off, or pissed off.


I agree with this post. Some people are under the impression that autism is just being occasionally a little socially awkward and they don't understand what makes it a disability.

I've heard it said before with other conditions, such as everyone is a little Dyslexic / ADHD / OCD / Bipolar and so on.

Now, dyslexia for example, when people say this they tend to mean that everyone's brain autocorrects sentences when they read. If a word is missing, you might not notice because your brain has filled in the gap. Or maybe the words are in the wrong order and your brain has corrected it. Maybe you misread a word because you expected another to be there. All common. However, does this mean everyone is a little dyslexic? No.

When I refer to myself as Broad Autism Phenotype or near the spectrum but not it, I don't mean this in a flippant sense of oh everyone has traits. Of course everyone has traits, it all depends on the causes of those traits, the severity and how much the traits impact a person's daily life.

However, what I do mean by BAP is that I'm aware that certain relatives of mine likely went undiagnosed. I'm aware they struggled and were shunned and labelled eccentric by society. I can't say with absolute certainty, but I think there's a good chance. Which is probably why I keep unintentionally becoming friends with people IRL who happen to be diagnosed autistic, ADHD and / or both. It's definitely higher than an average sample. I think that probably means something.

Admittedly I put off pursuing an ADHD diagnosis because I was dismissing my struggles because people kept telling me oh everyone struggles with that but after having a bit of intervention recently from concerned friends, I've realised most people don't struggle to this extent. So I'm going to talk to a professional about it.


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04 Sep 2025, 12:58 pm

Before I got assessed for ADHD people kept telling me not to because ADHD are traits that everyone has - even other Aspies/autistics on the internet said this. They were like "you have to be severely forgetful to be diagnosed with ADHD". Um, really? Because if I was that severely forgetful I think I'd be getting diagnosed with Dementia, not ADHD. :lol:


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04 Sep 2025, 1:12 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The more accurate statement is most people have some autistic traits.

Three basic reasons people say Everyone’s a little autistic

1. Lack of and incorrect knowledge about autism.

2. Misguided attempt to be sympathetic via bonding over “something we have in common”.

3. To scold by implicitly saying “We all have our problems, the reason I am successful and you are not is because you are an attention seeking snowflake, Stop whining, try harder”.

It is hard to know the intent behind the statement, thus knowing whether to be put off, or pissed off.


Yeah, I feel like this is very accurate in all cases.
I guess for me mine would have been close to number 2, though I felt like it was less of a sympathetic bonding and more like an excuse used on people to explain my attitude.



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04 Sep 2025, 1:29 pm

Huckleberry Finn wrote:

Sorry, even though we're all autistic, it's possible we don't understand each other right away.
Maybe the communication wasn't received or it's unclear to us.
What didn't we understand?


I'm interested, otherwise I wouldn't ask.


You know, I live in a complicated world where most people don't understand what I want to communicate. Because my thoughts are broader than they think. Or maybe it's just me who can't communicate with them.

Then begins the process of trying to explain it better.
Sometimes it goes against me because it seems like I'm insisting.

For me, communicating with them is essential, but I only manage it sporadically.

And it's a major problem for me; it stresses me out.

Also consider the fact that English isn't my native language and Italian is my second (that isn't mine either, even though, having learned it in my first seven years of life, it's located in the same brain area).
I understand other languages ​​literally, but I'm not good at writing them, and in any case, I don't catch many double meanings.

If I have to give a school speech, no problem. Or on a specific topic, then they'll listen to me. But otherwise, it's a disaster for me.

Your sentence struck me again for many reasons, but I've wasted a lot of words (too many).



I get what you said. But NTs seems to understand each other too well that looks clear that we're from different groups.


I am better talking about my interests than about myself which is hard for me to analize and communicate. That might be why I can't be understood by them.


NTs seems to talk more easily about themselves and social stuff.



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04 Sep 2025, 3:52 pm

Ziluz wrote:
Huckleberry Finn wrote:

Sorry, even though we're all autistic, it's possible we don't understand each other right away.
Maybe the communication wasn't received or it's unclear to us.
What didn't we understand?


I'm interested, otherwise I wouldn't ask.


You know, I live in a complicated world where most people don't understand what I want to communicate. Because my thoughts are broader than they think. Or maybe it's just me who can't communicate with them.

Then begins the process of trying to explain it better.
Sometimes it goes against me because it seems like I'm insisting.

For me, communicating with them is essential, but I only manage it sporadically.

And it's a major problem for me; it stresses me out.

Also consider the fact that English isn't my native language and Italian is my second (that isn't mine either, even though, having learned it in my first seven years of life, it's located in the same brain area).
I understand other languages ​​literally, but I'm not good at writing them, and in any case, I don't catch many double meanings.

If I have to give a school speech, no problem. Or on a specific topic, then they'll listen to me. But otherwise, it's a disaster for me.

Your sentence struck me again for many reasons, but I've wasted a lot of words (too many).



I get what you said. But NTs seems to understand each other too well that looks clear that we're from different groups.


I am better talking about my interests than about myself which is hard for me to analize and communicate. That might be why I can't be understood by them.


NTs seems to talk more easily about themselves and social stuff.


Hi...
Yes, I agree with you.
They understand each other among neurotypicals (allistics),
they quickly read every detail that escapes us, and quickly change the subject, while we, if we can't (except for those people who magically define themselves as autistic with a diagnosis, perhaps, and they read those signs, as I wouldn't know how to describe to you).
But they can.
Okay, the spectrum has central and less central areas, so it's understandable that there are people who don't appear like most of us. Then there are the pervasive aspects of autism.
And if they're heavy (intense), then we can't function socially.

I would discriminate strongly against those who present as hypersocial. I understand this, that, and the other thing, I don't suffer from interactional stress...

Because, always in good faith perhaps, those people aren't autistic at all.

Then you know, I'll give you a trivial example.

Bike ride (when I was still well), with my Brother.

We park our bikes in a crowded square.
We sit on a bench.

I do something completely normal (for me!): I look at the mechanics of my bike.

My brother, who isn't neurodivergent, tells me, "They're looking at you because it looks like you're going to steal that bike."

Which was mine! :)

Huh!

It was my way of looking at details.

They mistook it for something else; I didn't look at them, I hadn't even noticed the situation.

Then the conversations: they stress me out.

I'm polite, I greet the people who greet me, but I usually don't recognize their faces (sometimes I recognize them by their license plate, or by their dog, or by the way they move, but usually I don't look at them at all).

I don't know what the hell my neighbor looks like.

Some look at you and smile, thinking they're supposed to interact.

To me, they're strangers, not friends.

I'm usually very clear with people: if I'm not good enough for them, or if they're not good enough for me, I literally erase them from my mental landscape.

Not because I'm bad, on the contrary.
But I find that subsequent interactions are incredibly stressful.

I've been wasting my time adapting to them for years.
This has made me mediocre, not better.
Sure: I can do a lot of things, I've learned some of their tactics and understood some of their dynamics.

Last time, a doctor, in an attempt (according to her) to be nice (to me she was already nice), started talking to me about these things by looking at my birth date and month.
It was a meaningless conversation to me.
I blurted out: "Who cares?"

which wasn't rude.
But that's what I was thinking.

I was there for a check-up, not a consultation on our zodiac sign :)

Her expression changed.
Then again.
I didn't understand them.
She said something to me like: We're all similar and have deficits.

Are you autistic? But I have my own problems, too.
But it's not the same thing.
Then I don't find it professional to talk to a patient about their problems because then she started doing that.
Half the session focused on her problems.
To reduce the severity of mine, according to her.
What was she thinking?
By doing so, she'd reduce my condition?
I couldn't wait to leave.
Then she changed the subject again, as if I were neurotypical.
She had a lot of my diagnoses in her database.
Not one.
A section related to major depression became dysthymia.
I have to write to her, but I don't know how to approach the conversation.

I also answered the question about my interests.
But she wanted a very short answer.

Or she wouldn't listen to what I said.

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Regarding autistic people, here too, it can happen that they don't understand you.

We have little empathy.
I have rational empathy.
If I understand that you're in trouble, I do everything I can to help you.
A neurotypical usually has to socially make it seem like I'm doing it.
Example: My parents died.
Honestly, I still haven't understood the situation emotionally (I'm alexithymic).

I'm used to being alone, too.

I miss one thing: the ability to ask him questions.
I can't talk to him anymore.

It all happened at once.
I tend to be cold.



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04 Sep 2025, 4:26 pm

False. I am not a little autistic, I am a lot autistic.

Jokes aside, in what I'm sure is going to be an unpopular opinion here, no one is "a little autistic", you either are or you aren't. There is no autism "spectrum", and the only difference between "high" and "low" functioning autism is the level of privilege the patient has (access to early intervention, tutors, therapists, etc.). Autism is very frequently comorbid with other disorders of the mind, and flattening them all into one diagnosis is inevitably going to cause more problems than it could possibly solve.



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04 Sep 2025, 4:44 pm

If there's no autism spectrum then why is it called the autism spectrum?

I feel only a "little" autistic, but that's not the same as when an NT says it.


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04 Sep 2025, 6:11 pm

Tamaya wrote:
If there's no autism spectrum then why is it called the autism spectrum?

To be very frank? It's because parents don't like being told that their precious special-needs child has the same thing as the shrieking, pants-shitting, bedwetting nonverbal autist sitting next to him at the clinic, but he does.



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04 Sep 2025, 11:30 pm

No everyone is NOT a little bit Autistic.

This saying needs to be put to bed. Another one that is just a bad is "OMG I'm sooo OCD about that".

There are real people in this world that have disorders like ASD and OCD that struggle everyday, and saying things like that really shows how out of touch and insensitive these people are.

Saying the correct clinical name of the disorder has become the new more socially acceptable way to say ret*d. I've heard teenage boys saying things like "dude, wtf is wrong with you, are you Autistic or something?", that is way worse than saying the word ret*d in my books.

I'm all for free speech and I would never want to see someone fined or arrested for saying something like that, but it's just in bad taste and shows poor character.

Anyway, there's my long answer to a short question, Lol.

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05 Sep 2025, 1:30 am

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False. I am not a little autistic, I am a lot autistic.

Jokes aside, in what I'm sure is going to be an unpopular opinion here, no one is "a little autistic", you either are or you aren't. There is no autism "spectrum", and the only difference between "high" and "low" functioning autism is the level of privilege the patient has (access to early intervention, tutors, therapists, etc.). Autism is very frequently comorbid with other disorders of the mind, and flattening them all into one diagnosis is inevitably going to cause more problems than it could possibly solve.

There is a strong genetic component to autism as there are many other conditions. Some left handers are in big trouble if they have to use their right hand, other left handers are functional with their right hand but are more comfortable using their left hand. Both people are left handed but differences are acknowledged. Similar with bisexuals some are more attracted to their own sex some are more attracted to the other sex, and some are attracted to both equally. This is readily acknowledged without saying those more attracted to the opposite sex are a little bisexual. Yet in the autistic community we can’t acknowledge both. It strains credulity to believe autism is different then all these other conditions, that some autistics are not “wired” to have much more pronounced autistic traits then other autistics.

The above is not to discount the role of access and competent parenting in how one functions in society. The failure to acknowledge that how autistics function in society is the result of nurture as well as nature is why the autistic community and the professional autism community do not use functioning labels anymore.


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