Spin -Off.....Aspie rule follower VS anti-authoritarian

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The Topic about "aspie Criminal/psycho"....got me to thinking....(rare,but it happens)

People with AS are supposed to have some reluctance to follow "authority figures"...ie...just because you are a parent,teacher,adult,judge,president....if you want "my" respect ,your going to have to earn it...I am not going to unquestioningly follow your,sometimes illogical and arbitrary ,rules just because of your "title".......

Yet, they are also believed to follow the rules,obey the laws,and be "civilised" ......

This things seem contradictory for me....I follow the rules that seem logical to me because they seem logical and if they dont then I am not above "not" following them.I have also broken laws(shop lifting,drinking as a minor,used illegal drugs,squatted in abandoned buildings...ie...tresspassing,public intoxication,suicide attempts,stollen from cars while drunk,bought alcohol for minors)....I dont really feel any remorse for these things other then stealing from cars and to lesser extent stores.


So.....what other hard core "aspie criminals" are there amongst us...and how do you feel about the antiauthoritarianism VS Upright Citizen dichotomy of AS?

well i think as you mentioned that the aspie may like to follow rules to a certain extent which may be a byproduct of a desire for routine in ones daily life and suchlike, however, the rules must be coherently logical. i know that myself, i have difficulty accepting rules and conventions that are not based on sound logic, and have problems with authority also.

in as much as i will only accept the authority of another if i think there is a sound basis for granting authority to that individual, for example, a uni lecturer might have some degree of authority on a certain subject based upon his level of knowledge of the subject. i have a problem with authority that is arbitralily granted to an individual with no apparent basis.

i think this may be to do with the aspects of social interaction that aspies might tend to try and avoid, the interplay of power in social interactions, so to speak. and much of social interplay is based on expression of dominance and subordination.

i dont know if i am explaining myself very well here, but i hope that makes some sense to you.

I am in total agreement with you here, unless I can see a logical reason for following a rule, I find it hard to follow it.

One of the main problems I have is the unwritten rules that everyone else seems to follow, whilst I ignore. I always seem to think those rules don't apply to me and generally my line managers think I am being difficult on purpose, whilst all I have done is thought through logically that the rule is purposeless and so ignored it. My line manager then asks me why I did not follow the rule and I'm like.."But you never said!" (follow mass argument).

I didn’t know this was an AS thing. But if it is I think one of the resins people with AS might really want to follow rules, is so they don’t get into trouble. What with always getting into trouble by misreading social cues and the like, it would make since to try your hardest to follow understandable rules.

I know that when I was a kid, especially at about kindergarten age, it was very importent to me to follow the rules and not get in trouble (and I guess it still is now to some extent, just not as extremely as it was then). I went to kindergarten for about two months, and the one time I got in trouble there I freaked out and cried about it for days.

But I agree to not likening to follow rules that don’t make since to me (doesn’t always mean I don’t do it though). And I don’t like authority figures at all. In fact I dislike them so much it is almost a prejudicey thing, which is not good and I really need to stop.

I only follow rules and authority when i can see the logic behind it that it will lead to an end product.If i think someone is on a power trip or getting personal i will resist and tell them where to get off. Not good in a work environment when you have to play the game.

I try to follow set rules as much as I can, but if I consider a rule to be illogical, I might break it. Not to be rebellious, but just because I find that particular rule pointless.

I haven't had good experiences with certain people in authority throughout my life, but I do have an in-built respect for authority. However, respecting authority doesn't mean I rigidly stick to their unfair rules.

I follow logical rules, with sense in them, not just for being rules. I do whatever doesn't harm anybody else and won't give a damn about what the law has to say about it. I blow things up, where it impossibly can hurt anybody, like in the sea with no one else nearby. I take drugs at home, not committing crimes to get them and not commiting crimes by their influence.

"think for yourself, question authority" - as timothy leary, i think, has said on ocassion...

The law can be a bit like roadhump it stops speeders but it can mess up the underside of your car, especially if you are carrying some extra weight. So often, innocent people have to suffer inconveniences that the law set up stop a criminal act.

One time I was up Camden Town, London on The Carnival Day, They had police everywhere checking more or less very black person as they came out of the subway station, they checked me to but let a white lady go without checking her. When I asked them what was these checks about, they said it was a part of their NO-Knife-Campaign. I really didn’t have a problem with this because I don’t see a problem targeting the problem group, even though I was a little bit too old to be getting up to anything like using knifes on people in Carnivals

I did have a big problem with the Camden Councils way of raising revenue from innocent drivers by trapping innocent drivers with confusing road signing catching 50% of motorists and fine them £50. I just cannot seem to let that go, I cannot I am still very pissed off with them.

Look, 3 of use being suckered down a wrong road, while a smart-car sits at roadside taking pictures as photo evidence.

I WANT TO KILL THEM NOMAN

You should blow those f*****g cameras up. In Sweden people do that on the country side - there are almost no cameras in the cities here - yet.

I follow the laws because no way I am going to prison or I'm getting a ticket or getting arrested and have it go on my permanent record. I'm not that dumb to not follow the rules. And I don't even want to get fired from my job so I must follow the rules. As a kid I didn't follow any if they didn't make sense to me. I always wanted to know why first. If no one never told me why, then i do it and get in trouble and it took me a while to figure out I have to follow the rules or I'd get in trouble. I was in high school then when i figured it out.

They often don't check up your permanent record in this country, and even if they do, it's no big deal if you don't have been to prison. Getting a ticket is nothing at all here.

Houston is very proud of its red-light cameras, so I watch how I drive. I have only gotten one ticket in my life (for speeding).

Tim

Like everyone else it seems, I follow all the rules that "make sense," which is most of the rules. Rules I break are things like I copy DVDs that I rent from Blockbuster. And I'm not even sure that's a rule. You just can't copy them and sell them or copy them and then show them publicly. Sometimes I turn when there's a green light but a red arrow. But only if there shouldn't have been an "arrow" light installed there in the first place.

I do break some rules like downloading music. I full well know its wrong but I will still buy albums in stores because there isn't every song you can download.

Downloading music is not illegal, you just have to pay for it (like with iTunes, etc). And iPods are designed for it.

Tim