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02 Oct 2008, 6:34 pm

Are you an eloquent articulate type?

or

Are you a blunt type?

I am blunt. As a result it makes others defensive and annoyed with me.

If you are neither explain your situation and reactions.

If you are either explain your situation and reactions.

How do others treat you as a result?

Do you find after saying what you have to say guilt for how you put it because it just wasn't good enough or sensitive enough?



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02 Oct 2008, 6:36 pm

Why do you think eloquence and articulacy and bluntness are mutually exclusive?



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02 Oct 2008, 6:37 pm

Answering own question about social guilt. Yes I do feel it after thinking about others reactions but I sometimes wonder if it's a result of people being taught to not accept the bold truth so people now are being reformed into being overly polite and watering down the truth in order to make others feel better which sets a priority that truth comes second.



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02 Oct 2008, 6:37 pm

I'm the quiet type. I don't really talk that often.


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02 Oct 2008, 6:38 pm

dougn wrote:
Why do you think eloquence and articulacy and bluntness are mutually exclusive?


It's over how people label others as being eloquent when they are phrasing comments in such a way that isn't bold where as I tend to be "bold" blunt and it gets sneers left and right.



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02 Oct 2008, 6:45 pm

I think I am both. My parents really brought me up as a NT kid so a lot of the things they made me do and how they made me act really helped me with social situations now. So like for work and stuff I learned to say the right things but with my friends I say waht ever I want so I have just three real friends. When I was younger they made me play soccer and basketball and I hated it! TEAM SPORTS :( I would sometimes just sit on the field and day dream, I think I only scored 1 basket during the 4 years or more I played basketball. Sorry, I'm ranting lol



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02 Oct 2008, 6:47 pm

rhs wrote:
I think I am both. My parents really brought me up as a NT kid so a lot of the things they made me do and how they made me act really helped me with social situations now. So like for work and stuff I learned to say the right things but with my friends I say waht ever I want so I have just three real friends. When I was younger they made me play soccer and basketball and I hated it! TEAM SPORTS :( I would sometimes just sit on the field and day dream, I think I only scored 1 basket during the 4 years or more I played basketball. Sorry, I'm ranting lol


Fascinating point. It brings up questions all on it's own. I was in a reverse enviroment where there wasn't a single normal person there. I always wanted to have a role model who was the opposite of me to learn from. That may be the reason why I am lacking in this area.

Just a thought though, not a final conclusion. :) <----omg, I'm using a smiley!



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02 Oct 2008, 6:53 pm

Meowpurr wrote:
rhs wrote:
I think I am both. My parents really brought me up as a NT kid so a lot of the things they made me do and how they made me act really helped me with social situations now. So like for work and stuff I learned to say the right things but with my friends I say waht ever I want so I have just three real friends. When I was younger they made me play soccer and basketball and I hated it! TEAM SPORTS :( I would sometimes just sit on the field and day dream, I think I only scored 1 basket during the 4 years or more I played basketball. Sorry, I'm ranting lol


Fascinating point. It brings up questions all on it's own. I was in a reverse enviroment where there wasn't a single normal person there. I always wanted to have a role model who was the opposite of me to learn from. That may be the reason why I am lacking in this area.

Just a thought though, not a final conclusion. :) <----omg, I'm using a smiley!


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02 Oct 2008, 6:57 pm

Ha, I saw the topic that brought you to post this. :p Anyways, I can be eloquent on certain things, but if someone really annoys me usually I don't take the time to be eloquent, and I just bluntly state what's on my mind.



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02 Oct 2008, 6:58 pm

People think I am insensitive because I am blunt! I don't purposefully set out to annoy others....I do it simply by opening my mouth! Guess I should never talk again. LOL


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02 Oct 2008, 7:01 pm

I believe I am both. At work the office director had to warn the people I would be working with not to be offended by my inevitable "harsh" comments, that I never mean anything personally.

But they all come to me when they need help composing a letter to an attorney.

After 35 years I have not learned how to avoid being blunt. But trying...has made me quite eloquent.



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02 Oct 2008, 7:12 pm

I've been told that I am 'awkwardly eloquent ' by most of my family nad friends.


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02 Oct 2008, 7:15 pm

I'd like to think I'm somewhere in between those extremes. I think I speak well and try to be courteous when doing so unless attacked first. I do not criticize just for the sake of being right and making sure another person knows that they're wrong (unfortunately, I know a number of "blunt" people who seem to act as they do because they like to rub people's mistakes in their faces... I don't think all blunt people are so malicious, but it does seem to be a pattern). I explain my opinions as best I can so as to give context as to why I think something and how I got to that conclusion. In real life, at least, I tend to ask a lot of questions to make sure I understand the other person's view and why they think that.

On the other hand, I have been known to stand up and say what I think, even if everyone else in the room disagrees with me and I know it, because I feel it needs to be said. Just because a belief is unpopular or seen as outlandish doesn't mean it's wrong, or that because it's "offensive" it shouldn't be said - it's the intent for which it is done at a certain level, and the amount of thought that goes into saying it.



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02 Oct 2008, 7:27 pm

I would have to say I'm definitely both. I'm definitely more eloquent when I'm typing, but as such, I usually take a while to form a response. I can be blunt but still be eloquent. Case in point, there is this woman that I honestly can't stand that I see once a week. She asked me if I wanted to know why she was doing something. I said "Not really" but with a smile, and it got a giggle out of her. It's being blunt, but in a way that is eloquent enough to not be considered rude.

I do have a tendency sometimes to be blunt and rude. I tend to be that way with my husband. And with my mom, except she's my mom and just thinks it's a "quirk". I'm definitely that way with my sister, but only after she's pissed me off.

Otherwise, I tend to be very genuine when I've got a blunt remark to say. And because of my perfectionist attitude, coupled with my need to please people, or at least be seen as kind, when I have blunt remarks to say, people tend to take that as a sign that they've "done something wrong" or that I'm joking around. If they think it's a joke, and they're laughing, I know better than to tell them that it wasn't a joke.



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02 Oct 2008, 8:32 pm

I can wax eloquent, when I'm moved to.

Back when I was a kid, there wasn't even autism. Learning to read before I learned to talk served me well - dispensing (mostly) with talking may have been an overreaction, but as long as I did OK at school and stayed out of trouble I got by. I remember when I was adult but young, I'd juggle books, pointing out extracts to make points. None of it worked terribly, but since I was absorbed in "the truth that can be written isn't the truth" back then, I didn't care much.

Then, raising my own children and still seeking enlightenment, I began trying to speak more. Noone much understood, so I kept trying...

These days, I'm practicing balance - to be able to say what works, and listen the rest of the time is around the ideal I aim at.

And, I too am generally more eloquent when I'm driving a keyboard rather than a tongue.



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02 Oct 2008, 8:39 pm

It's a tough question for me...
Any kind of social introspection and I can feel my confidence slipping.
I want to believe I am eloquent but can also be blunt. I am eloquent when I am not saying anything.
I had a conversation with someone today and she looked sooooo surprised I was doing more than mumbling the
"fine thanks, you?"
that's my usual mumbleation of a reply and it's what they all expect. I wonder if they actually want to hear more than that?

I guess I could just try yelling at them and see if I get a better response.



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