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05 Oct 2008, 1:33 am

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05 Oct 2008, 2:13 am

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Can those today live forever?

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05 Oct 2008, 3:03 am

I wouldn't want to try. If I never die, I'll never get to meet my Maker.



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05 Oct 2008, 3:47 am

It's not technogically impossible - one day. Not today.
Even still; imagine a world like that? We're overpopulated as it is. Most people need to die - and an estimated 99.98% of the human population could not psychologically handle immortality. That can only be a rough estimate, of course, I'd hate to see the efforts someone must go through to clarify it, considering the state of the world. Seems a believeable number, though.
Me, I can handle immortality, and it's no secret my life's work is to achieve that. I may do that - no guarantee, slim chance, but still, I'll try. But I can do it - my mindset and conceptual grasp are the right frame. I feel no sense of loss at the passing of others, years are insignificant, and, of course, I am nothing like anybody else. So, again, I can.
But other people? Science fiction writers, even, have pointed out the likeliehood of decay and extreme overpopulation by masses perverting natural order. Most living things simply must die.


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05 Oct 2008, 4:24 am

Ishmael you can say that again.. However, isn't it peculiar how just about everything in science fiction turns out to be real soon after? Personally, since the government pretty much has to tell the people about its technological breakthroughs, I find scifi to sometimes be their special little way of doing it, calling it "fiction" at first to get people used to the ideas.



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05 Oct 2008, 4:42 am

True as that may be, I think some ideas will always be pure fantasy. And should remain pure fantasy.



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05 Oct 2008, 4:58 am

Well, saucers are man made: http://www.freewebs.com/vril/howvrilwaspowered.htm
Teleportation, sulphur based life forms (among many others), wormholes, extra dimensions, telekinetic abilities, mind control, memory altering/technology controlled by the mind, phasers that shoot through walls etc etc etc turned out to be real as well. Wait, exactly which ones did you say will always be pure fantasy? lol



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05 Oct 2008, 5:03 am

Immortality is pipe dream. And if it's not, it should be.

How long do you have to live before you become insane?



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05 Oct 2008, 5:10 am

Actually it isn't, it's just something we supposidly haven't achieved yet. So far we have the technology to store a mind on a huge amount of classic supercomputers. As in, someones entire consciousness. Imagine putting it in a compact quantum computer, and installing it into a synthetic body. I'm sure someones probably done it before :wink: :P



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05 Oct 2008, 5:32 am

Can you call that living? Just because you are able to do something does not mean you should do it.



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05 Oct 2008, 6:10 am

I would call that living. Flesh is a device; consciousness is important.
But the trick is to not copy the mind; but shift the original. Besides which, a nanotech biosynthetic construct could be virtually indistinguishable from flesh and bone, save for strength, restoration, no ageing, secondary RAM and live networking. I could probably fix up some useful vision tricks. That would give me the time I need to finish my goal.
The ordinary person, however, should never have access to it. Unless you can comprehend and employ the technologies involved personally, you cannot be trusted.

I'm not kidding, I am actually working on this, and will be for so long as I am able. I can psychologically handle it, for me it's necessary. I have something to do. For other people?
In black and White, ordinary people live only to breed the next generation and die.
May seem cruel, but that's biology.


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05 Oct 2008, 6:13 am

There's so much more to life than breeding. I'm pretty sure that breeding is not my purpose. Without purpose we would not exist. We are all here to do what we are all here to do.



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05 Oct 2008, 6:32 am

My "purpose" is one given me by the mathematics of my psychology.
Eventual quantum integration and matter manipulation.
Essentially to become a being of pure energy, much as science-fiction has simplified the concept for the lowest common denominator.
To be beyond petty worldly concerns, and to simply dominate reality. If I could some day encompass the universe in it's entirety within my mind. The technology and knowledge I would need, though! Staggering! Far too much for a mortal span.


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05 Oct 2008, 6:49 am

So you want to be God?



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05 Oct 2008, 7:37 am

Anything once existed will exist forever (L.Rampa). And many other say so :wink:
There's no reason to plan what has already been planned by Mother Nature IMO and not only mine :)



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05 Oct 2008, 7:45 am

Knowing the secrets of the universe won't make you a god, although please keep in mind I'm not in favor in your "god". Reaching a higher state of awareness is something you can do as you are alive, and the understanding of a higher plane of existance and "rebirth" so to speak has been around since the existance of man. Ancient shamans reached a higher state of consciousness through outer body experiences, where they gained knowledge from the universe that was not previously taught to them. Humans of today can do this as well, under controlled conditions or if they have found out how to do it on their own. Becoming energy does not have any connection with your physical body or mind either, just in case anyone was wondering because of what scifi has shown. I suppose the most simple way of explaining it is leaving your body for good, or even more simply: physical death. The only reason I would ever want to remain in my physical form forever would be to experience all the advancements in technology etc, that would be amazing you have to admit :) I'm sure it would be the least of my cares in the end though.



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